Motor Trend: 2018 PORSCHE 911 GT3 FIRST TEST: BEAUTY BEHELD
02-17-2018, 02:42 AM
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I hate to tell you guys this and I know this is big news but the car is engaging with a PDK also.
Randy talks about his turn 8 speed. If you’ve never had the chance to drive the Big track at Willow Springs please go. I don’t know of of turn that challenges you to go as fast through a turn as that last corner, to get onto the front straight. Until you see the results of someone who went just a tad too fast! It really gets your heart rate up
Randy talks about his turn 8 speed. If you’ve never had the chance to drive the Big track at Willow Springs please go. I don’t know of of turn that challenges you to go as fast through a turn as that last corner, to get onto the front straight. Until you see the results of someone who went just a tad too fast! It really gets your heart rate up
02-17-2018, 08:48 AM
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Srsly!
Pccb have an advantage in repeat braking situations, not necessarily better performing than steel in a single stop.
You have to wonder if this whole "engine in the wrong place" platitude is actually "engine in the perfect place"
-more traction for acceleration
-ability to help rotate the car with the right driver at the helm
-more balanced under hard braking
-etc etc...
How else can you explain 30+ years of constant overachievement in everything from road racing to lemans to Dakar Rally...
It's like being in love with the girl with the slightly fat *** in school, but all your buds secretly know she's a hell of a lot more fun in bed than their whispy models with the fake *****.
Beauty beheld indeed...
Pccb have an advantage in repeat braking situations, not necessarily better performing than steel in a single stop.
You have to wonder if this whole "engine in the wrong place" platitude is actually "engine in the perfect place"
-more traction for acceleration
-ability to help rotate the car with the right driver at the helm
-more balanced under hard braking
-etc etc...
How else can you explain 30+ years of constant overachievement in everything from road racing to lemans to Dakar Rally...
It's like being in love with the girl with the slightly fat *** in school, but all your buds secretly know she's a hell of a lot more fun in bed than their whispy models with the fake *****.
Beauty beheld indeed...
As to to the girl friend thing I’d wanna know how all my buds know that.
02-17-2018, 09:03 AM
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For sure.... with Randy Pobst driving. 
For mere mortals, I bet that difference will be solid seconds when switching to/from.... me included.
Even Randy had some challenges--
For mere mortals, I bet that difference will be solid seconds when switching to/from.... me included.
Even Randy had some challenges--
“That is a lot more work,” he said, fresh off laps in the manual car. “Way more difficult to do a perfect lap with the manual transmission. I seem to end up halfway between gears a lot, and it was easier to destabilize the car in the brake zone. It’s tricky to do the brake and entry perfectly when there’s a downshift in there. It’s much more tricky to throw a downshift at it than not to. It’s reminiscent of what we have to deal with, with manual transmissions, having to decide what gear you need, and it takes more practice to do it perfectly in one lap. I didn’t get into the magic zone like I did with the PDK, maybe because of the extra work.”
Good work, though, if you can get it.
“The shifter is great,” he said. “It is very accurate; light. It has that slick, Teflon, mechanical feel. Never worried about getting the wrong gear. The only trouble was trying to be as perfect when I have to change gears.”
Good work, though, if you can get it.
“The shifter is great,” he said. “It is very accurate; light. It has that slick, Teflon, mechanical feel. Never worried about getting the wrong gear. The only trouble was trying to be as perfect when I have to change gears.”
I am am amazed though that a car without boost and with its engine in the wrong place and priced below $200kis within a second of the $500k FGT MkII and faster than other seriously fast iron or aluminum/carbon fiber as the case may be
02-17-2018, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bossing
Btw... shouldn't this read as "Born in Flacht" instead? ....or "Made in Zuffenhausen"
Exactly! False advertising
Their marketing line is "Born in Flacht" ..
Last edited by STG; 02-17-2018 at 10:54 AM.
02-17-2018, 11:16 AM
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Are the cars on different tyres? They state average lateral acceleration as 1.11 g for the manual and 1.07 g for the PDK. Could also help explain the heavier manual's braking distance.
02-17-2018, 12:23 PM
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For sure.... with Randy Pobst driving.
For mere mortals, I bet that difference will be solid seconds when switching to/from.... me included.
Even Randy had some challenges--
For mere mortals, I bet that difference will be solid seconds when switching to/from.... me included.
Even Randy had some challenges--
“That is a lot more work,” he said, fresh off laps in the manual car. “Way more difficult to do a perfect lap with the manual transmission. I seem to end up halfway between gears a lot, and it was easier to destabilize the car in the brake zone. It’s tricky to do the brake and entry perfectly when there’s a downshift in there. It’s much more tricky to throw a downshift at it than not to. It’s reminiscent of what we have to deal with, with manual transmissions, having to decide what gear you need, and it takes more practice to do it perfectly in one lap. I didn’t get into the magic zone like I did with the PDK, maybe because of the extra work.”
Good work, though, if you can get it.
“The shifter is great,” he said. “It is very accurate; light. It has that slick, Teflon, mechanical feel. Never worried about getting the wrong gear. The only trouble was trying to be as perfect when I have to change gears.”
Good work, though, if you can get it.
“The shifter is great,” he said. “It is very accurate; light. It has that slick, Teflon, mechanical feel. Never worried about getting the wrong gear. The only trouble was trying to be as perfect when I have to change gears.”
02-17-2018, 12:33 PM
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Someone would have to be Very poor at shifting to be “solid seconds” slower in the Manual.
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02-17-2018, 12:34 PM
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Randy is the man
any video?
any video?
02-17-2018, 02:39 PM
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02-17-2018, 06:19 PM
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^That's awesome! I'll actually be in Sebring tomorrow... GT4 though, yes in the manual.
All it takes is a blown shift... or a misshift... or too early... or... well you catch my drift. I don't toot my horn on being the fastest/bestest (lol) most consistent shifter but no way can I mimic the PDK-S telepathic capabilities at every turn, upshift/downshift, and every single lap... I just give credit where credit is due. Even racecar drivers make human errors in shifting.
02-17-2018, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Gunner
VERY poor indeed... good thing they make PDKs for the clumsy folks. 
02-17-2018, 09:54 PM
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For sure.... with Randy Pobst driving.
For mere mortals, I bet that difference will be solid seconds when switching to/from.... me included.
Even Randy had some challenges--
For mere mortals, I bet that difference will be solid seconds when switching to/from.... me included.
Even Randy had some challenges--
“That is a lot more work,” he said, fresh off laps in the manual car. “Way more difficult to do a perfect lap with the manual transmission. I seem to end up halfway between gears a lot, and it was easier to destabilize the car in the brake zone. It’s tricky to do the brake and entry perfectly when there’s a downshift in there. It’s much more tricky to throw a downshift at it than not to. It’s reminiscent of what we have to deal with, with manual transmissions, having to decide what gear you need, and it takes more practice to do it perfectly in one lap. I didn’t get into the magic zone like I did with the PDK, maybe because of the extra work.”
Good work, though, if you can get it.
“The shifter is great,” he said. “It is very accurate; light. It has that slick, Teflon, mechanical feel. Never worried about getting the wrong gear. The only trouble was trying to be as perfect when I have to change gears.”
Good work, though, if you can get it.
“The shifter is great,” he said. “It is very accurate; light. It has that slick, Teflon, mechanical feel. Never worried about getting the wrong gear. The only trouble was trying to be as perfect when I have to change gears.”
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