US vs ROW: Why different take rates for MT?
02-15-2018, 08:38 PM
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Porsche snobs.... 
Manually rowing gears whether in any 991 or yes even in a Miata (and on full throttle literally all the time in the Miata) is FAF.
Blasting up or down lightning shifts in PDK-S on a GT3/GT3RS is also super FAF. I can't even fathom in a godly GT2RS.
Can't ya'll get along? I mean if you're lucky to land a GT3.2, isn't that enough orgasm as it is?
02-15-2018, 08:49 PM
#62
It's because American drivers associate Manuals with drivers' cars and performance cars and European drivers associate Manuals with econoboxes. Crappy American cars tend to have automatics and crappy Euro cars tend to have manuals...
Here, knowing how to drive a stick is a point of pride and in Europe every grandma with a license knows how to drive a manual.
Here, knowing how to drive a stick is a point of pride and in Europe every grandma with a license knows how to drive a manual.
They are good fun though.
02-15-2018, 09:11 PM
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Porsche snobs.... Manually rowing gears whether in any 991 or yes even in a Miata (and on full throttle literally all the time in the Miata) is FAF.
Blasting up or down lightning shifts in PDK-S on a GT3/GT3RS is also super FAF. I can't even fathom in a godly GT2RS.
Can't ya'll get along? I mean if you're lucky to land a GT3.2, isn't that enough orgasm as it is?
02-15-2018, 10:48 PM
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Because Americans have smaller penises.
02-16-2018, 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Because Americans have smaller penises.
02-16-2018, 03:00 AM
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Since it seems obvious that manual and PDK is a matter of preference, not a matter of which one is better, are we now exchanging personal histories about manual jeeps and trucks?
Okay then.
I learned to drive on a WWII weapons carrier, then drove a ****** Jeep complete with bullet holes for authenticity to College. Both non-synchro manuals, but could climb hills and trees. I tried doing both. Then a Toyota SL, sweet little car with 4 speed. Somewhere long after a Honda Prelude was my bachelor days car, slick shifting 5 speed. Then a 996 C4S, then a Boxster S for the wife, both are still in my avatar, both 6 speed manuals. Progressively converted the 996 to a track toy, I can do the ballet of the 3 pedals with the best of them.
My incoming GT3? It's a PDK. HAH! It is my choice, I wanted it. Car and driver connectivity.....what?? My butt is connected to the seat, my hands are connected to the steering, my feet to the gas and brake pedal, all are connected to the car, and the car is connected to the road. My butt will tell me if the car is neutral, oversteering, understeering, commanding the pedals at my feet to let up or press more, my hands to turn the wheel more or loosen up more....Yes, my butt is the commander in chief of driving.
What the heck will that lever in the middle of the console tell me, other than break the fine concert ballet of butt, hands and feet with the demand to get shoved up or down? That sucker is just a nuisance, I tell you. I got PDK to get rid of that nuisance
Okay then.
I learned to drive on a WWII weapons carrier, then drove a ****** Jeep complete with bullet holes for authenticity to College. Both non-synchro manuals, but could climb hills and trees. I tried doing both. Then a Toyota SL, sweet little car with 4 speed. Somewhere long after a Honda Prelude was my bachelor days car, slick shifting 5 speed. Then a 996 C4S, then a Boxster S for the wife, both are still in my avatar, both 6 speed manuals. Progressively converted the 996 to a track toy, I can do the ballet of the 3 pedals with the best of them.My incoming GT3? It's a PDK. HAH! It is my choice, I wanted it. Car and driver connectivity.....what?? My butt is connected to the seat, my hands are connected to the steering, my feet to the gas and brake pedal, all are connected to the car, and the car is connected to the road. My butt will tell me if the car is neutral, oversteering, understeering, commanding the pedals at my feet to let up or press more, my hands to turn the wheel more or loosen up more....Yes, my butt is the commander in chief of driving.
What the heck will that lever in the middle of the console tell me, other than break the fine concert ballet of butt, hands and feet with the demand to get shoved up or down? That sucker is just a nuisance, I tell you. I got PDK to get rid of that nuisance
02-16-2018, 03:21 AM
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This is the best MT PDK thread so far. I guess a lot of people don’t know Porsche won LeMans with PDK back in the mid 80’s. It was just too big to put into a street sports car.
I learned to drive on an old Toyota station wagon manual that didn’t have much of a clutch so I revved matched back then to shift without using it. I’ve been driving a Porsche since 1982 and until 2009 everyone was a manual. I’ve done everything you can do with a manual for decades on the track and off. I saw how bad the old TipTronic was too. So when the PDK came out I said thank you very much.A Cup car comes with a sequential, all racing technology. I have never looked back.
I learned to drive on an old Toyota station wagon manual that didn’t have much of a clutch so I revved matched back then to shift without using it. I’ve been driving a Porsche since 1982 and until 2009 everyone was a manual. I’ve done everything you can do with a manual for decades on the track and off. I saw how bad the old TipTronic was too. So when the PDK came out I said thank you very much.A Cup car comes with a sequential, all racing technology. I have never looked back.
02-16-2018, 04:25 AM
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For me (EU-citizen), it's all about the inputs I provide and the difference I make in how the car behaves. Much like I feel happy and proud when I control a slight oversteer out of a corner and place the car exactly where I want it, the same feeling I get when I manage a couple of perfect heel/toe downshifts while braking for a corner. Not all inputs are perfect, but those who are are just that satisfying. So for me to do the work myself is adding a dimension to the driving. Imagine if car manufacturers introduced a system that hold and adjusts our powerslides... Oh wait.... 
I agree that on the track PDK would if not so much reduce laptimes, but definitely let me focus more on the other elements of driving. But as long as I'm not being paid a living to produce quick laptimes, I couldn't care less, I want to have maximum fun out of the car. For me that includes shifting. And I am very happy to give way to quicker (PDK?) cars on our track days
As input to the subject of the thread, I was actually surprised that ROW M/T share was as high as 25%. That's not too bad and indicates that the interest for M/T is still there and the GT3 is the right car for it. If you look at 991.2 GTS cars being offered on Mobile.de (both new and used), the M/T ratio seems <5%. Most likely Porsche has now got all the R&D investments back for the new 6sp gearbox. One can also discuss how much the M/T is cannibalizing on PDK sales, but at least in one case (me), the M/T meant an added sale...
I agree that on the track PDK would if not so much reduce laptimes, but definitely let me focus more on the other elements of driving. But as long as I'm not being paid a living to produce quick laptimes, I couldn't care less, I want to have maximum fun out of the car. For me that includes shifting. And I am very happy to give way to quicker (PDK?) cars on our track days
As input to the subject of the thread, I was actually surprised that ROW M/T share was as high as 25%. That's not too bad and indicates that the interest for M/T is still there and the GT3 is the right car for it. If you look at 991.2 GTS cars being offered on Mobile.de (both new and used), the M/T ratio seems <5%. Most likely Porsche has now got all the R&D investments back for the new 6sp gearbox. One can also discuss how much the M/T is cannibalizing on PDK sales, but at least in one case (me), the M/T meant an added sale...
02-16-2018, 05:39 AM
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This is the best MT PDK thread so far. I guess a lot of people don’t know Porsche won LeMans with PDK back in the mid 80’s. It was just too big to put into a street sports car.
I learned to drive on an old Toyota station wagon manual that didn’t have much of a clutch so I revved matched back then to shift without using it. I’ve been driving a Porsche since 1982 and until 2009 everyone was a manual. I’ve done everything you can do with a manual for decades on the track and off. I saw how bad the old TipTronic was too. So when the PDK came out I said thank you very much.A Cup car comes with a sequential, all racing technology. I have never looked back.
I learned to drive on an old Toyota station wagon manual that didn’t have much of a clutch so I revved matched back then to shift without using it. I’ve been driving a Porsche since 1982 and until 2009 everyone was a manual. I’ve done everything you can do with a manual for decades on the track and off. I saw how bad the old TipTronic was too. So when the PDK came out I said thank you very much.A Cup car comes with a sequential, all racing technology. I have never looked back.
But it was well used for shorter races.
The PDK was also tested into a 944 Turbo and an Audi S1 E2
02-16-2018, 12:36 PM
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For those who didn't believe PDK was only 3 seconds faster at the Nordschliefe, check this out: Only 0.3 sec faster at Big Willow:
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsc...t-test-review/
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsc...t-test-review/
02-16-2018, 12:43 PM
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For those who didn't believe PDK was only 3 seconds faster at the Nordschliefe, check this out: Only 0.3 sec faster at Big Willow:
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsc...t-test-review/
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsc...t-test-review/
02-16-2018, 12:46 PM
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^I wish I can drive (and shift) like Randy Pobst.... #belikeRandy
02-16-2018, 12:47 PM
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02-16-2018, 12:51 PM
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02-16-2018, 01:01 PM
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For those who didn't believe PDK was only 3 seconds faster at the Nordschliefe, check this out: Only 0.3 sec faster at Big Willow:
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsc...t-test-review/
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsc...t-test-review/