Originally Posted by Waxer

Hmmm, Ford makes a GT car that wins that you can't buy (at least not without being "selected" by them) and Porsche makes a GT car that doesn't win and that you can buy but only after they demand huge ADM's.

Is it me or is something wrong with this picture?

Agreed. Days of NA being competitive are over. Begs the question if NA's can't be competitive maybe I give up RS and go for 488 and call it a day. Candidly, if I'm putting out $200 large + on a "GT" car with race pedigree from a company with rich race history I want a GT car that's competitive with it's competition....that's part of price isn't it? Isn't its ability to win as important as PTS, CXX, color coordinated air vents etc...... I can go buy a C7 Z06 for $80K with the Z06 package whose GT counterpart consistently finishes in the money and is compeititive.

That's part of the prestige, panache' and aura of owning a Porsche GT car...isn't it??? Owning a car whose motorsport counterpart is a winner or at least competitive?

If all they are doing is running 4 seconds off the pace and sweeping up the rear PAG better get it's chit together otherwise alot of guys will lose interest in chasing a car on the showroom floor on Mondays whose motorsport counterpart is non competitive on Saturday and Sunday. My sentiment anyway. Makes it less apetitizing to fight the crowds, beg, borrow, steal and trade first born for a car that can't even win. Oh, and offer up the wife for a night if they offer you PTS. B.S. if you ask me.

I hope Mr. Walliser and AP are reading this thread. ...Guys, field a car that wins or is at least competitive. I don't want to pay 2.5 times the price of a competitive Chebby and ADMs to boot for a loser. NA or no NA. Do what has to be done to win. People aren't interested in losers.

I was thinking of going to the Rolex despite a busy schedule. I would have been seriously dissapointed and frustrated had I gone. Glad I didn't. At least I was able to turn the T.V. off and go back to my desk.

Oh, well. At least I do own gen II FGT.

Originally Posted by promocop

Blah, blah, blah FGT's are better/faster at this kind of racing and have better team management (Ganassi) same with the Corvettes. Get over it. Porsche racing are second cousins. Wait until Le Mans, same outcome

Originally Posted by Waxer

It seems that way. Hard to get over it though when you have loyalty to brand, they tout themselves as a brand born in racing, have a rich history in racing, sell GT cars that are hard to get, that you have to fight to get and demand ADMs.

At least sell us a car we have to fight to get and pay ADMs for that win or are at least competitive. PAG could certainly be competitive and win for sure if they really wanted to. I think it comes down to "profit", hanging on to NA because of the old guard and die hards and trying to win with less to fatten the bottom line. Look at the profits on their cars and as a company. Staggering.

No one can say with any credibilty PAG can't build a GT car that will win against the FGT. Look at the GT2RS. That's the answer key.

Originally Posted by TJ993

Can anyone tell me what actually happened to car 911 - Tandy? Driving, I think..turned my head and all I saw was it spinning. Cold Tires or ?
Tough weekend for the P Car.
Time for the Design and Engineering group to bring on some Positive change....Mid Engine and More are necessary.

Originally Posted by rosenbergendo

Down more on tq than power. Car is based on a road going 85k base Carrera!! FGT is basically a GT1 car that just slips under the rules radar and that IMSA/ACO have allowed to roll in with big money!! They made the race car and homologated a few for the road. They are made by Mulitmatic who makes both road and car versions!! What Porsche need is a clean sheet 960 mid engine turbo ground up developed halo non electric car. The mule IS sitting somewhere in Weissach. BUT they got hammered on Dieselgate and are all in on Electric so the board isn't going to allow that sort of frivolous spending that has zero relevance for what they perceive as the future!!

Originally Posted by Waxer

Hmmm, Ford makes a GT car that wins that you can't buy (at least not without being "selected" by them) and Porsche makes a GT car that doesn't win and that you can buy but only after they demand huge ADM's.

Is it me or is something wrong with this picture?

Agreed. Days of NA being competitive are over. Begs the question if NA's can't be competitive maybe I give up RS and go for 488 and call it a day. Candidly, if I'm putting out $200 large + on a "GT" car with race pedigree from a company with rich race history I want a GT car that's competitive with it's competition....that's part of price isn't it? Isn't its ability to win as important as PTS, CXX, color coordinated air vents etc...... I can go buy a C7 Z06 for $80K with the Z06 package whose GT counterpart consistently finishes in the money and is compeititive.

That's part of the prestige, panache' and aura of owning a Porsche GT car...isn't it??? Owning a car whose motorsport counterpart is a winner or at least competitive?

If all they are doing is running 4 seconds off the pace and sweeping up the rear PAG better get it's chit together otherwise alot of guys will lose interest in chasing a car on the showroom floor on Mondays whose motorsport counterpart is non competitive on Saturday and Sunday. My sentiment anyway. Makes it less apetitizing to fight the crowds, beg, borrow, steal and trade first born for a car that can't even win. Oh, and offer up the wife for a night if they offer you PTS. B.S. if you ask me.

I hope Mr. Walliser and AP are reading this thread. ...Guys, field a car that wins or is at least competitive. I don't want to pay 2.5 times the price of a competitive Chebby and ADMs to boot for a loser. NA or no NA. Do what has to be done to win. People aren't interested in losers.

I was thinking of going to the Rolex despite a busy schedule. I would have been seriously dissapointed and frustrated had I gone. Glad I didn't. At least I was able to turn the T.V. off and go back to my desk.

Oh, well. At least I do own gen II FGT.

Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban

BOP for GTLM is not regulated by IMSA

Originally Posted by Nizer

scratching my head about guys whinging about turbo this turbo that. last i checked Corvette won the 2017 GTLM manufacturers championship and finished one-two in the drivers championship.

it's all down to BOP full stop. IMSA controls the game.

Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban

BOP for GTLM is not regulated by IMSA