Anybody buy or sell a 911R recently?
02-28-2018, 10:25 AM
#226
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02-28-2018, 11:07 AM
#227
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Originally Posted by wolfmobil
We can debate as nauseum about 997 4.0 and R engines. Last mezger aside when you drive them it's splitting hairs. 4.0 is terrific, but impossible to live with on the street. Harsh, noisy, big wing.
Exactly. That's part of what makes the 4.0 (and rest of 997 GT platform) SO magic. If you are looking for DD attributes, don't give the 997 gt's one look; 991 platform is better in every way if DD is part of the criteria. If you want an occasional drive with pure drama, 997-4.0 is in a rare air.
03-01-2018, 06:37 PM
#228
I have now driven both 911R and GT3 Touring. My impressions:
911R is noisier, raw, the steering is lighter and feels like it gives more feedback. The rattles from SMFW are great and in general there is more mechanical noises. The car feels more nimble on the road.
GT3T less mechanical noises, feels more insulated. Engine sounds different. Strong, but less furious than R. Again possible just an audio sensory impression. Car feels more planted, but less playful.
I cannot attest to the suspension settings since 911R has buckets and GT3T has 18 way seats.
Also don't want to get into the exhaust note as the R had full Akrapovic exhaust, which is by the way phenomenal.
Overall GT3T is a great daily drive, but there is no sense of special occasion in it compare to R.
03-01-2018, 06:48 PM
#229
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03-02-2018, 08:48 AM
#230
Originally Posted by hf1
GT cars come with adjustable alignments. A small camber/toe adjustment can make a large difference in how planted or nimble/reactive the car feels on the road.
03-02-2018, 10:37 AM
#231
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The 911R is tuned more for the street and the GT3 for the track.
I am not saying the GT3 is a track car but it is a street car more tuned for the track than the 911R. I would expect the Steering, RWS, suspension to be tuned slightly differently
03-02-2018, 05:21 PM
#233
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How exactly are they different? Some here say the R feels more reactive/nimble than the GT3 which apparently feels more "planted". All track/race (alignment and suspension) settings make the cars more reactive and nimble (allowing for quicker turn-in) than their more "planted" street versions/settings. Which one is it?
03-02-2018, 06:03 PM
#235
How exactly are they different? Some here say the R feels more reactive/nimble than the GT3 which apparently feels more "planted". All track/race (alignment and suspension) settings make the cars more reactive and nimble (allowing for quicker turn-in) than their more "planted" street versions/settings. Which one is it?
03-02-2018, 06:58 PM
#236
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And the car with the faster lap-time is not necessarily the one better for the track. My Spec Boxster is a better car for the track than dozens of cars out there with much faster lap-times, including my GT3.
03-02-2018, 07:16 PM
#237
I was only asking for some clarification about the conflicting claims, which btw I view mostly as marketing BS. Noticeably changing my GT3 from planted to nimble/reactive or vice versa takes a mere $200 alignment adjustment and doesn't make the car any more "special".
And the car with the faster lap-time is not necessarily the one better for the track. My Spec Boxster is a better car for the track than dozens of cars out there with much faster lap-times, including my GT3.
And the car with the faster lap-time is not necessarily the one better for the track. My Spec Boxster is a better car for the track than dozens of cars out there with much faster lap-times, including my GT3.
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03-02-2018, 07:18 PM
#238
Originally Posted by TylerCoupe
you should figure out a way to drive the R and then you would know. All these opinions have elements of subjectivity but I do put more credibility on those that own and drive both. Reviewers try to excite so they can get the next car to review. And those who have not driven the cars at all are just exercising their ability to type uninformed speculation. Now you may have no interest in an R and if so....why do you post so much about it?
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03-02-2018, 07:42 PM
#239
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Thx, I may take you up on the generous offer once spring arrives. We could go for a drive together and exchange cars. Doesn't look like it this weekend. 
Though a thorough investigation would require quite a production: driving both the R and the Touring on the same day and same stretch of road, each with two different alignment settings. I'm not sure I'm invested enough in the issue to ever arrange that.
Though a thorough investigation would require quite a production: driving both the R and the Touring on the same day and same stretch of road, each with two different alignment settings. I'm not sure I'm invested enough in the issue to ever arrange that.
03-03-2018, 12:00 AM
#240
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and switch the air filters and the akra from the R to the T as well and repeat the "test"
then where s the rawness?
Only real thing is the R SMFW but annihilated by the T real 9k rpms