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01-10-2018, 08:55 PM
#136
Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
I do agree with you, Macans and Cayennes are the bread and butter. That being said, the year over year sales of 911 will tank if they don't sell any GTs in 2019. What car/s will they build to soak up that excess build capacity in 2019 if they don't build any GT cars? More Macans and Cayennes? Last time I checks there's a lot of them sitting on the dealer lots.
01-10-2018, 10:10 PM
#137
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01-10-2018, 10:49 PM
#138
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Agree with everything except the margin comment on Macans. I can't imagine they're making a higher margin on the typical Macan 4banger or S than they are on a Carrera S. I haven't seen the Macan sales breakdown, but my dealer's inventory and comments indicate that the base model is the highest percentage sold. And my SA tells me that they're having to cut prices to compete against the Japanese SUVs customers are cross shopping them against.
In general though I agree that Porsche is really an SUV manufacturer that sells a few sports cars on the side.
In general though I agree that Porsche is really an SUV manufacturer that sells a few sports cars on the side.
But even if you don't want to believe that, consider this. The costs in designing and engineering a Macan can be amortized across several thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) more cars than a GT model over the lifespan of that particular product cycle, simply because more Macans are sold in particular product cycle than for a GT model.
Sure, maybe, Porsche makes more selling the first GT3 that rolls off the production line vis-a-vis the first Macan that rolls off the production line, but by the time the 100th or 1000th or 10,000th Macan rolls off the production line, the profit margin significant overshadows even the first GT3 that rolled off the production line.
01-10-2018, 10:54 PM
#139
01-10-2018, 10:56 PM
#140
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Wiki numbers are not necessarily accurate, nor complete. Ergo, "not reliable"
01-11-2018, 12:11 AM
#141
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More propaganda and internet hype to try and keep the flipper values and ADMs high. Who gives a crud. In a year the rumors for the 992 GT3 will start and that will be again the best car yet and then the 993...... same old song and dance.
01-11-2018, 01:30 AM
#142
The 918 began production in September 2013 and was designated then by Porsche as a model year 2014 car. The 918 remained a MY 2014 car throughout it's production period. It was first delivered in the US about June 2014. The last 918 sold in the US was produced around April of 2015 and sold June 2015 as a MY 2014 car.
I think you can see how the 918 is an example of a car which does not conform to the law which you're quoting. How can that be?
Simple. Under law 1, a manufacturer is allowed to declare the car has "No Production Period" (See all after "provided" in law 1). In which case, the MY of the car is the date when the first car comes off the assembly line ready to sell in the US. That MY follows the car until the manufacturer decides to stop making it or decides to modify it's EPA characteristics.
Not used often, for sure. And not used in the case of the GT3. But possible for the GT2RS.
01-11-2018, 01:36 AM
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01-11-2018, 02:01 AM
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Here is an example of a car which does not conform to what you say.
The 918 began production in September 2013 and was designated then by Porsche as a model year 2014 car. The 918 remained a MY 2014 car throughout it's production period. It was first delivered in the US about June 2014. The last 918 sold in the US was produced around April of 2015 and sold June 2015 as a MY 2014 car.
I think you can see how the 918 is an example of a car which does not conform to the law which you're quoting. How can that be?
Simple. Under law 1, a manufacturer is allowed to declare the car has "No Production Period" (See all after "provided" in law 1). In which case, the MY of the car is the date when the first car comes off the assembly line ready to sell in the US. That MY follows the car until the manufacturer decides to stop making it or decides to modify it's EPA characteristics.
Not used often, for sure. And not used in the case of the GT3. But possible for the GT2RS.
The 918 began production in September 2013 and was designated then by Porsche as a model year 2014 car. The 918 remained a MY 2014 car throughout it's production period. It was first delivered in the US about June 2014. The last 918 sold in the US was produced around April of 2015 and sold June 2015 as a MY 2014 car.
I think you can see how the 918 is an example of a car which does not conform to the law which you're quoting. How can that be?
Simple. Under law 1, a manufacturer is allowed to declare the car has "No Production Period" (See all after "provided" in law 1). In which case, the MY of the car is the date when the first car comes off the assembly line ready to sell in the US. That MY follows the car until the manufacturer decides to stop making it or decides to modify it's EPA characteristics.
Not used often, for sure. And not used in the case of the GT3. But possible for the GT2RS.
http://press.porsche.com/vehicles/20...918-Spyder.pdf
01-11-2018, 10:04 AM
#145
Some guys are indicating a production date in 2018 after July 1, 2018 saying the car will be a 2018. I thought most models changed year July 1 meaning after July 1 2018 the car would be a 2019.
01-11-2018, 12:27 PM
#146
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If my memory serves, Porsche normally switches production at generations in Aug/Sept after the summer factory shutdowns. My 1995 993 was an 8/94 build. The only cars that I'm aware of that are built for the same MY *after* the changeover are the special wishes cars (historically anyway). If what I'm reading here is accurate, I'd bet all 991 (including) GT3/GT2 (RS) production ends in Aug/Sept. 2019 992s built after that.
01-11-2018, 01:08 PM
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01-11-2018, 01:12 PM
#148
It's pretty common in NA for a new model car to be named a year later. 2018 GT3's built in 2017 as a new model early intro. They could have called them 2017's as there was no older model 2017 GT3 car but manufactures almost always want the later model name. If Porsche is keeping all the cars as 2018's it's likely they won't building past December. If they planned to build cars into 2019 they would likely start calling them 2019 in Aug/Sept as they typically do. They probably don't want to have to certify a new 2019 GT3 car for only 4 months of production. All RS's built from May 2015 through December 2016 were called 2016.
The 918 definitely had 2015 models and they would have to meet 2015 design standards not 2014 standards.
The 918 definitely had 2015 models and they would have to meet 2015 design standards not 2014 standards.
01-11-2018, 01:15 PM
#149
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01-11-2018, 01:22 PM
#150
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The first surprising thing is that 991.1 GT3RS were built more than 991.1 GT3. The second important take form this chart is that the 991.2 GT3 will be the rarest of recent models if the European magazines' initial reviews last year holds true, stating that Porsche would built 3500 GT3's worldwide as total production. If I remember corrected, it was quoted in several European magazines like Total 911, GT, EVO. Not sure which ones, but I can look them up.