Dealer ADM's pushed 80's Porsche to try the Tesla model
#31
Yup, no franchise laws would prohibit PCNA from punishing stealers by giving them few GT allocations...that's the power PCNA can have over the stealers to slap their wrists.
#32
#34
Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Exactly.
So now you should know exactly how PAG / PCNA feels about dealer ADMs.
So now you should know exactly how PAG / PCNA feels about dealer ADMs.
YUP ..
I have said the same thing over and over again but nobody ever seems to care or comment on it. Always the stealers and never the real source.
This is working just as intended.
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#36
Originally Posted by Archimedes
You think theyÂ’re going to punish their best distributors? Not a business owner are ya...
#37
start filing more fake warranty claims?? Billing manufacturer out the ....??? Open another manufacturer dealership?? Start pushing other manufacturers vehicles?
#38
#39
Originally Posted by Golden Boy
start filing more fake warranty claims?? Billing manufacturer out the ....??? Open another manufacturer dealership?? Start pushing other manufacturers vehicles?
#40
its not and i dont own a dealership. I wouldn’t put it past dealerships. Have seen it several times trying to bill me and or filing warranty claim and doing no work.
but you keep thinking everyone is straight as an arrow.
#41
#42
Second, in the U.S. the manufacturer cannot legally dictate to the dealers how they price the cars. And if they attempt to do through punitive means they can be liable for damages.
But back to my original point. Porsche doesn’t care and has no interest in upsetting the apple cart that is their big dealers. I’m sure Porsche isn’t losing any sleep over losing a customer like me and gaining some rich whale who has no trouble writing a $25k over check.
#43
Originally Posted by Archimedes
You think theyÂ’re going to punish their best distributors? Not a business owner are ya...
I remember back in the day when asked about the proliferation of competing sports cars, they said we’ll leave them as crumbs on the table for the others to pick up. Kinda pompous, but kinda cool. Downright defiant in a no compromise kind of way. You still see that today to some degree, which is why most 911 owners are 911 owners in the first place. We’re almost never driving the fastest cars for the money, nor are they the most luxurious. But there’s something special about the 911 and for the most part Porsche has stuck to that. Good for them.
But the ADM game, especially when force multiplied by the flippers and guidos (who have ZERO brand loyalty) really starts to turn people off. When we begin to feel like they’re treating US as crumbs on the table for their other models to pick up, it could go either way.
Maybe we’ll submit and let them steer us into their other offerings. Or maybe we start taking our business elsewhere. Small numbers at first, perhaps more later. Could go either way. The competition has never been more fierce and that’s not going to change. 911s, especially GT cars, will always be something special. But when it gets to the point where their customers aren’t valued or respected, we may just start going somewhere else. They need us WAY more than we need them, and there’s not, nor will there ever be, enough Jay Leno’s, Schmee’s and millionaire ballers in the world to keep the lights on at corporate if we start to walk away. (No offense to Jay or Schmee as I like both their reviews/thoughts on cars).
I get that the ADM game is addictive from a right now point of view. And I know they’ve done it in the past. But is it forever sustainable?
I don’t like turbos in sports cars. I prefer NA, and love 911s. I’ll go up the food chain a model or two more than I otherwise go to get that, especially is it’s something special like a 9k redline 911. But if big city ballers get everything and us lowly crumbs can only even have a chance to play with 5, or even 6 figure “fools tax” penalties attached to it, screw them. And if they think I’m buying a Cayman or Macan instead, I’ll just crumb my way onto someone else’s table.
I don’t even mind not getting one. They only make XXXX many and I’m XXXX+1 in line? Fair enough. Some people who are longer time and more loyal customers who bought more cars jumps the line a bit? OK, I guess. I get that. But when you say you don’t want or need my business until and unless I’m the highest bidder to whom you choose to allow your product to be sold to? Bye Felicia.
#44
The concern with PAG is that the bigger and more well-capitalized dealership owner groups will pull out of selling Porsches, or sue PCNA for breach of franchise laws, or both. For better or worse, under the current franchise laws, manufacturers are more reliant on dealerships than dealerships are on manufacturers, especially for those dealership groups that are well-capitalized to begin with (i.e. Autonation, Penske, etc.)
#45
Why would any of the multibrand dealers stop selling Porsche when they are already doing very well? You guys make it sound like the dealer’s only source of profit are GT cars. That can’t be true.
If Porsche pulls their GT allocations they won’t make as much money. Dealer will want to avoid this. Selling cars at msrp still make money. Certainly more money than no allocations at all.
Porsche pulls allocations from dealers who are found selling cars to people who export to other countries.
If Porsche pulls their GT allocations they won’t make as much money. Dealer will want to avoid this. Selling cars at msrp still make money. Certainly more money than no allocations at all.
Porsche pulls allocations from dealers who are found selling cars to people who export to other countries.