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Old 11-01-2017, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Catorce
Most tracks won't let you race without evidence of pinning or the use of water wetter.
Isn't this just a NA requirement? I don't believe ROW has such requirements.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Isn't this just a NA requirement? I don't believe ROW has such requirements.

Correct, NA
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All the Metzger engines are vulnerable.

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Old 11-01-2017, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Catorce
Most tracks won't let you race without evidence of pinning or the use of water wetter.
Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Isn't this just a NA requirement?
Originally Posted by Catorce
Correct, NA
In the regions I run in I have as yet to see that requirement listed on any tech form. Must be only in the limited few regions that you live/run in.
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Originally Posted by Spyerx
Idiots in 996, 997 GT/turbo cars on track not fixing this.
Idiot Porsche for not recalling.
Old 11-01-2017, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by goin2drt
Idiot Porsche for not recalling.

but they didnt. So drivers need to pony up and do this. Water wetter is an option but still not better than fixing it right.
Old 11-02-2017, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by isv
Ok interesting. I was thinking of doing it given what I had been told but when I was last at the 'ring and asked Manthey about it they didn't think it needed doing as a 7.2 car. Anyway next time i need the engine out I guess I'd get it welded just for peace of mind.
on two of my RS3.8 and one RS4.0
one tracked heavily
one lightly
one never
not all the tubing are falling out. but some of them on each car were failing. some i literately have to touch it, it would dislodge. would it fail? i do not know. but i sure dont want to find out. so i just fixed it.
Old 11-02-2017, 12:26 AM
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^ Smart move, and nice for other road and track users, too.

Those 996/997 coolant lines give me the shivers not only for track events, but also mountain roads—where a driver might not be at the limit but the stakes are much, much higher.

More important to address than ever as the cars age. Good on the OP to flag this "news item," if only to bring attention back to this.
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Originally Posted by Catorce

This is just one in a long line of Porsche engineering disasters, from the company that brought you rubber centered clutch discs, exploding airboxes, the IMS bearing, 997 cooling lines, and burning 4.0s.
3rd gear failures on GT4, aluminum non-reinforced strut towers...

long line...
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Originally Posted by Catorce View Post

This is just one in a long line of Porsche engineering disasters, from the company that brought you rubber centered clutch discs, exploding airboxes, the IMS bearing, 997 cooling lines, and burning 4.0s.


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u have been afround! i have had all those
and don tforget 993 wiring harness too
964 leaking block
997.1GT3 porous blocks
Old 11-02-2017, 01:39 AM
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And now what? The 997's that pissed on the tarmac third party liability insurance most probably won't cover the damages as it probably has the Ring exclusion.
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I advised a friend with a 997 turbo who tracks approx 3 times/year to get his done at Sharkwerks. It's a reliable fun track car once this crap is taken care of.
Old 11-02-2017, 03:08 AM
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Lucky no one was killed.

I have to say I am always amazed by a lot of this stuff - it often relates to a lack of track craft /experience.

Simple, spanner check on hoist before track day - inc. suspension, brakes, hoses, coolant, oil, tire condition, re-torque/check of lug nuts etc etc. Preventative maintenance e.g. known problems.

Moreover, I can't believe half the youtube videos one sees of the ring. Large numbers of people, that can't drive, using video to show they can't drive, whilst flashing past other people that can't drive and don't even know there is any one going past them. No wave throughs or emergency light signals to drive by. Driving in tee shirts go figure. Wandering around the cars after an off instead of getting behind the armco and calling it in/ waving down from behind armco - go figure.

Notwithstanding the fact that there are other cars, with different performance characteristics on the same track or even the fact the sessions are open which can lead to all sorts of incidents - simple things such as punctures that can leave a car stuck on the line over a blind crest for example.

In the UK its just as nuts, track days seem to be a free for all - no track licences or log books required.

Its great that these venues exist, however basic track craft and or licensing should be a minimum requirement for speed use. This protects all drivers, the competent from the incompetent and the incompetent from themselves.
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Terrible news, at least we can learn from this big accident, particularly to release the throttle pedal on blind corners when there is no marshall.

I was not aware of coolant issues on the mezger engine, here i found the explanation from sharkwerks

http://sharkwerks.com/porsche/techni...urbo-cars.html
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Originally Posted by stout
^ Smart move, and nice for other road and track users, too.

Those 996/997 coolant lines give me the shivers not only for track events, but also mountain roads—where a driver might not be at the limit but the stakes are much, much higher.

More important to address than ever as the cars age. Good on the OP to flag this "news item," if only to bring attention back to this.
While I definitely do agree with mooty and yourself the coolant hoses being glued are an obvious weak point, the odd thing is that here in the UK I've spoken to two different indys as well as Manthey and they all didn't seem to think the 7.2 was a problem compared to the 6(especially) and to a lesser extent the 7.1 and I find it a bit hard to figure out why it's seems so much more prevalent an issue in the US than Europe.


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