New GT3/GT2RS Leads With/Without ADM
04-06-2019, 11:09 AM
#4306
I don't have a problem with ADM. MSRP is the manufacturer's suggested retail price. Just like I have no hesitation in negotiating a deal below MSRP, I have no problems with a dealer charging more than in MSRP in those rare instances when he can. It's good ole capitalism at work. For those who can't afford the ADM or are philosophically opposed to paying over the sticker, just be patient. You'll eventually be able to get one at sticker.
So said Martin Shkreli...
04-06-2019, 02:16 PM
#4309
Take it from me, better to pay and have the car than hold out and leave the party empty handed.
I've purchased about 15 cars from my dealer -they're a medium size store, but when I broached getting on a list I was going to be #25, and maybe they had 5 allocations - and the first was going to the dealer principal, 2 and 3 we're going to 918 owners.
I could have used a broker and gotten a Touring for 15k in ADM. Well, I saved the ADM, but the only thing in my garage is a GTS, not a GT3T.
I've purchased about 15 cars from my dealer -they're a medium size store, but when I broached getting on a list I was going to be #25, and maybe they had 5 allocations - and the first was going to the dealer principal, 2 and 3 we're going to 918 owners.
I could have used a broker and gotten a Touring for 15k in ADM. Well, I saved the ADM, but the only thing in my garage is a GTS, not a GT3T.
That being said now I have a .1 with the 3.8L flat 6, and its still a truly great car. Just different, more a road car and versatile car than the scalpel GT3. I can see and get the allure of a GT3, but there are also cons which Im sure you already thought of if you had to let the GTS go for the GT3T. Can't go wrong either way!
04-06-2019, 02:19 PM
#4310
sadly you are not the only one so at least take solace there, many of us had **** poor experiences at other dealers as well. Good for you to share your experience/which dealer
04-06-2019, 03:10 PM
#4311
Banned
One thing worse than ADM, trying to force someone to take my hard earned money. Don't care what the purchase opportunity is, I would have walked a long time ago. You are more a man than myself for sticking it out.
04-06-2019, 03:38 PM
#4312
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There is nothing wrong with paying an ADM.
Those that paid for an ADM usually get their cars before those that wait and get the cars for MSRP.
Yes, you paid more for the car, but you also got to drive and enjoy the car earlier.
You can always make more money, but nearly impossible to make more time.
Those that paid for an ADM usually get their cars before those that wait and get the cars for MSRP.
Yes, you paid more for the car, but you also got to drive and enjoy the car earlier.
You can always make more money, but nearly impossible to make more time.
04-06-2019, 03:42 PM
#4313
I've bought two GT cars new from dealers far away from where I live. The GT4 I got for MSRP through a small market dealer. My '19 GT3RS, I stumbled upon when looking at cars on line. It was built and already in port when the buyer backed out. Configured like I wanted, which is dumb luck. WP, LG, buckets, metal brakes, big tank. Paid 15K over last October for the car. Got 90K trade on the GT4 (it was 100K new). Pretty good deal at the time.
I do not have a purchase relationship with a dealership locally, and the way I see it, I'd have had to buy a 918, or a bunch of other cars (base 911, Cayenne, Panamera, etc) to accrue enough cachet to get a GT car allocation. Trading those lesser cars in or selling them would have lost me way more money than the $15K ADM and what little I lost on my trade in.
Everybody has their own take on ADM. The math in this case made sense to me. When you are going 150 mph down the back straight at COTA, you aren't thinking much about ADM's
I do not have a purchase relationship with a dealership locally, and the way I see it, I'd have had to buy a 918, or a bunch of other cars (base 911, Cayenne, Panamera, etc) to accrue enough cachet to get a GT car allocation. Trading those lesser cars in or selling them would have lost me way more money than the $15K ADM and what little I lost on my trade in.
Everybody has their own take on ADM. The math in this case made sense to me. When you are going 150 mph down the back straight at COTA, you aren't thinking much about ADM's
Last edited by ByeEnzo; 04-11-2019 at 11:41 AM.
04-06-2019, 03:50 PM
#4314
Martin would laugh at a 10% ADM. He would corner a market and charge anywhere from 20 to 500 times the original price. No one condones that behavior, and that's why he's behind bars. Moreover, there's a difference between life saving medication and completely discretionary expenditures.
04-06-2019, 04:10 PM
#4315
Martin would laugh at a 10% ADM. He would corner a market and charge anywhere from 20 to 500 times the original price. No one condones that behavior, and that's why he's behind bars. Moreover, there's a difference between life saving medication and completely discretionary expenditures.
Dealers were contacting smaller dealers around the country and buy their allocations. They were hoarding cars. Porsche was manufacturing cars and dealers were controlling the market. All the sudden people thought buy a GT car was an investment, and so thought the dealers.
This helped the brand image in the short term but it will hurt it in the long run.
I know there are people that are willing to pay more to get a car right away, but to me the problem is that there was no transparency and most dealers were deceiving.
04-06-2019, 04:37 PM
#4316
And that’s exactly what dealers have done, GT2RS ADM was $150,000 to $200,000, similar case with R. 991.1 GT3RS was $100,000. That’s not 10%.
Dealers were contacting smaller dealers around the country and buy their allocations. They were hoarding cars. Porsche was manufacturing cars and dealers were controlling the market. All the sudden people thought buy a GT car was an investment, and so thought the dealers.
This helped the brand image in the short term but it will hurt it in the long run.
I know there are people that are willing to pay more to get a car right away, but to me the problem is that there was no transparency and most dealers were deceiving.
Dealers were contacting smaller dealers around the country and buy their allocations. They were hoarding cars. Porsche was manufacturing cars and dealers were controlling the market. All the sudden people thought buy a GT car was an investment, and so thought the dealers.
This helped the brand image in the short term but it will hurt it in the long run.
I know there are people that are willing to pay more to get a car right away, but to me the problem is that there was no transparency and most dealers were deceiving.
In my case I wouldn't pay a dollar over MSRP for any car. Unfortunately Porsche GT cars have become attractive to extraordinarily wealthy individuals who are willing to pay whatever the dealer asks, which makes it challenging for the enthusiast who is not that wealthy. We just have to be patient.
04-06-2019, 04:54 PM
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After calling the salesperson later today he informed the fellow who ordered the car is taking it??- meanwhile Thursday he was trying to get me to offer 10k over - my reaction that is all you had to do and not jerk me around for 2 weeks. The whole process does not have to be this ugly. I consider them total ******** for sure. Read their philosophy on their web page is a total farce. Another stealership!
Glad I have an RS and dealt with the nicest person in Colorado-- now will order the last of the GTS for May build from a Florida dealer who I have known since early 2000s.
Glad I have an RS and dealt with the nicest person in Colorado-- now will order the last of the GTS for May build from a Florida dealer who I have known since early 2000s.
04-06-2019, 05:01 PM
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04-06-2019, 05:18 PM
#4319
04-06-2019, 07:28 PM
#4320
Originally Posted by fast1
LOL They must think they are selling corvettes. 
Speaking of that all the principal owner stores except one BMW dealership by me have all gone to larger store family groups (ie 4 Toyota dealerships) that didn't cut their teeth on premium brands.
I say this because if you treat people right you build loyalty, if you're in it for a quick buck, you build contempt (IMHO).