The "Unofficial" 991.2 GT3 Production Number Stats
05-25-2022, 04:02 PM
#1292
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Click on the link in my signature- I have about 40% of the 991.2 GT3 PTS captured.
08-19-2022, 12:52 PM
#1293
This is the car I sold to the dealer if anyone is looking for a clean 991.1.
https://www.porscheclearwater.com/us...AC2A97FS189151
https://www.porscheclearwater.com/us...AC2A97FS189151
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05-01-2023, 12:28 PM
#1295
Instructor
TOTAL WORLD WIDE PRODUCTION ON 991.2 GT3 TOURING?
WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF 991.2 GT3 TOURING'S WORLDWIDE. I have seen the NA breakdown but what is the worldwide estimate of Touring's.
05-02-2023, 06:25 AM
#1296
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The 991 Touring is low volume for a modern car. Lower production than the Speedster (1948 produced) and upcoming ST (1963), but greater than the 992 Sport Classic (1250).
I believe the new Ford GT had ~1300 examples produced. The rarest 991 generation Porsche street car is the 911R, of which 991 were made (other than the Club Coupe, which was based on a 911 GTS but is its own distinctive model and only 60 were made). You may also find this interesting: https://www.porscheknowledge.com/gt3...build-numbers/
Personally I prefer the 991.2 GT3 Touring over the 992 Touring (not due to the lesser volume produced), but because I think it's the best modern Porsche for many reasons:
0. It looks sporty and timeless without weird bits that stand out excessively compared to classic 911s, it fits the theme and looks just a bit more interesting and aggressive.
1. You *know* the 991 Touring is a manual ONLY car when you see one - just like the 911R and Speedster! Unlike the 992 Touring which is not a pure manual-only model.
2. I prefer the size. 991 is *almost* too big, 992 *is* too big.
3. I prefer the more old-school gauges and less digital dash, which matches the Touring moniker (originally from the 73 RS Touring) aptly.
4. It has the same engine displacement and redline as the new GT3 (which wasn't really an improvement in the engine department, likely due to Chinese engine displacement taxation brackets and Euro emissions concerns, unfortunately).
5. It felt like they over-hyped the new front suspension to distract us from the lack of engine upgrade we got on every other new GT3 generation. Yes the suspension is technically great, almost too great. It now has a similar type of front suspension often found in sporty cars such as the Miata, but to me the front end of he car feels notably less Porsche-like than the feel of the manual-only 991 GT3 Touring. The older car has a lighter-feeling front end, less grippy tires as well, which to me is more synonymous with the typical character of Porsche 911s over the decades. The new car is too perfect - it's almost Ferrari mid-engined feeling in terms of balance now.
6. 991 GT3 Touring will likely end up being more rare in terms of production than the 992 GT3 Touring (even moreso for PTS examples, only 156 were made for north America and estimated double that figure for the entire world, back when they were producing 10% of the PTS volume they are now doing today).
To me the 992 Touring is a well-engineered car, but a failure of the name and the formula it should represent - because it totally missed the spirit of the 991 Touring and the 73 RS Touring after which it was named by virtue of having an automatic transmission offered and being such a bigger, more digital, higher-tech, and more luxurious car. It's gone opposite of the spirit of the 73 RS Touring and 991 Touring, and seems to be more of a gentleman's comfy cruising car. Albeit with the old GT3 engine, plugged into an less aesthetically pleasing shell than last generation (unless you prefer the nostrils and futuristic taillights, ha)! I doubt the 992 GT3 design details will stand the test of time, in the same way I doubt the newest M3 will.
The Touring was the absolute gem of the 991 generation in terms of looks and performance - as was the 911R - though unfortunately the engine isn't as good, and 911Rs are more often than not resigned to collector car duties, not driving car duties.
The Sport Classic seems to be the gem of the 992 generation, a better looking 992 with classic vibes and special driving character. That is the car of this generation, the Touring is the car of the previous gen. Both are Ultimate modern manual driver's Porsche with the right balance to make it an instant classic, but I'll still take the less luxurious and better sounding 991 Touring in the end.
How many 992.1 Tourings do you estimate will be made? And how many of those will be manual?
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05-02-2023, 10:52 AM
#1297
Instructor
When the 911R was introduced I inquired through a friend with ties to the factory.I was asked to put a list together on the Porsche cars I have owned buying my first in 1976 from Burt Olander who was working for Vasek Polak . I have had a few cars including 73 Carrera RS restored to lightweight spec and a 906 for short period . I did not pursue the R as I was building out a Mercedes Sprinter Van etc. and at the time I had a 997.2 GT3 . The friend who had ties was able to secure the R for himself. When the 991.2 was introduced I hesitated a bit but then did enquire on getting one through a friend who was running multiple dealerships two of them Porsche Franchises. One of the dealerships had sold its allocations but the other had an open spot but the GM wanted a so called adman fee which put me off. I then was offered a slot out of state so I called back and made a deal on putting in an order so I could spec the car. The first 991.2 GT3 Touting I was able to see was in Chalk/ Crayon and I loved the color just like back in 1977 when I saw a Slate Grey 930 sitting next to my black 77 911S. It was the first time I saw one and asked about it and Burt told me it was Steve McQueen's. I debated to do my spec in Slate Grey which is a PTS color at 12,000+ or the Chalk at 4,220 so I decided since I loved both go with the chalk which I believe was introduced on the GT3. I checked every sport option on the car and even inquired about a radio delete option but was refused due to the back up camera being a requirement. My 991.2 was delivered on January 4th 2019 and for me it is the one to keep. Before leaving the dealership I had them install the 911R carbon shift **** as I so disliked the aluminum insert.I have my 991.2 GT3 Touring and don't have any plans to sell it as I love this car.The reason for asking about how many produced is for my own personal knowledge and I thank you for your input and knowledge. G
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05-03-2023, 04:12 PM
#1298
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When the 911R was introduced I inquired through a friend with ties to the factory.I was asked to put a list together on the Porsche cars I have owned buying my first in 1976 from Burt Olander who was working for Vasek Polak . I have had a few cars including 73 Carrera RS restored to lightweight spec and a 906 for short period . I did not pursue the R as I was building out a Mercedes Sprinter Van etc. and at the time I had a 997.2 GT3 . The friend who had ties was able to secure the R for himself. When the 991.2 was introduced I hesitated a bit but then did enquire on getting one through a friend who was running multiple dealerships two of them Porsche Franchises. One of the dealerships had sold its allocations but the other had an open spot but the GM wanted a so called adman fee which put me off. I then was offered a slot out of state so I called back and made a deal on putting in an order so I could spec the car. The first 991.2 GT3 Touting I was able to see was in Chalk/ Crayon and I loved the color just like back in 1977 when I saw a Slate Grey 930 sitting next to my black 77 911S. It was the first time I saw one and asked about it and Burt told me it was Steve McQueen's. I debated to do my spec in Slate Grey which is a PTS color at 12,000+ or the Chalk at 4,220 so I decided since I loved both go with the chalk which I believe was introduced on the GT3. I checked every sport option on the car and even inquired about a radio delete option but was refused due to the back up camera being a requirement. My 991.2 was delivered on January 4th 2019 and for me it is the one to keep. Before leaving the dealership I had them install the 911R carbon shift **** as I so disliked the aluminum insert.I have my 991.2 GT3 Touring and don't have any plans to sell it as I love this car.The reason for asking about how many produced is for my own personal knowledge and I thank you for your input and knowledge. G
Best modern driver's Porsche = best drivers car period, in my book!
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05-03-2023, 04:48 PM
#1299
1600-1700. Do you ask only out of curiosity or do you have another purpose in needing a more exact figure?
The 991 Touring is low volume for a modern car. Lower production than the Speedster (1948 produced) and upcoming ST (1963), but greater than the 992 Sport Classic (1250).
I believe the new Ford GT had ~1300 examples produced. The rarest 991 generation Porsche street car is the 911R, of which 991 were made (other than the Club Coupe, which was based on a 911 GTS but is its own distinctive model and only 60 were made). You may also find this interesting: https://www.porscheknowledge.com/gt3...build-numbers/
Personally I prefer the 991.2 GT3 Touring over the 992 Touring (not due to the lesser volume produced), but because I think it's the best modern Porsche for many reasons:
0. It looks sporty and timeless without weird bits that stand out excessively compared to classic 911s, it fits the theme and looks just a bit more interesting and aggressive.
1. You *know* the 991 Touring is a manual ONLY car when you see one - just like the 911R and Speedster! Unlike the 992 Touring which is not a pure manual-only model.
2. I prefer the size. 991 is *almost* too big, 992 *is* too big.
3. I prefer the more old-school gauges and less digital dash, which matches the Touring moniker (originally from the 73 RS Touring) aptly.
4. It has the same engine displacement and redline as the new GT3 (which wasn't really an improvement in the engine department, likely due to Chinese engine displacement taxation brackets and Euro emissions concerns, unfortunately).
5. It felt like they over-hyped the new front suspension to distract us from the lack of engine upgrade we got on every other new GT3 generation. Yes the suspension is technically great, almost too great. It now has a similar type of front suspension often found in sporty cars such as the Miata, but to me the front end of he car feels notably less Porsche-like than the feel of the manual-only 991 GT3 Touring. The older car has a lighter-feeling front end, less grippy tires as well, which to me is more synonymous with the typical character of Porsche 911s over the decades. The new car is too perfect - it's almost Ferrari mid-engined feeling in terms of balance now.
6. 991 GT3 Touring will likely end up being more rare in terms of production than the 992 GT3 Touring (even moreso for PTS examples, only 156 were made for north America and estimated double that figure for the entire world, back when they were producing 10% of the PTS volume they are now doing today).
To me the 992 Touring is a well-engineered car, but a failure of the name and the formula it should represent - because it totally missed the spirit of the 991 Touring and the 73 RS Touring after which it was named by virtue of having an automatic transmission offered and being such a bigger, more digital, higher-tech, and more luxurious car. It's gone opposite of the spirit of the 73 RS Touring and 991 Touring, and seems to be more of a gentleman's comfy cruising car. Albeit with the old GT3 engine, plugged into an less aesthetically pleasing shell than last generation (unless you prefer the nostrils and futuristic taillights, ha)! I doubt the 992 GT3 design details will stand the test of time, in the same way I doubt the newest M3 will.
The Touring was the absolute gem of the 991 generation in terms of looks and performance - as was the 911R - though unfortunately the engine isn't as good, and 911Rs are more often than not resigned to collector car duties, not driving car duties.
The Sport Classic seems to be the gem of the 992 generation, a better looking 992 with classic vibes and special driving character. That is the car of this generation, the Touring is the car of the previous gen. Both are Ultimate modern manual driver's Porsche with the right balance to make it an instant classic, but I'll still take the less luxurious and better sounding 991 Touring in the end.
How many 992.1 Tourings do you estimate will be made? And how many of those will be manual?
The 991 Touring is low volume for a modern car. Lower production than the Speedster (1948 produced) and upcoming ST (1963), but greater than the 992 Sport Classic (1250).
I believe the new Ford GT had ~1300 examples produced. The rarest 991 generation Porsche street car is the 911R, of which 991 were made (other than the Club Coupe, which was based on a 911 GTS but is its own distinctive model and only 60 were made). You may also find this interesting: https://www.porscheknowledge.com/gt3...build-numbers/
Personally I prefer the 991.2 GT3 Touring over the 992 Touring (not due to the lesser volume produced), but because I think it's the best modern Porsche for many reasons:
0. It looks sporty and timeless without weird bits that stand out excessively compared to classic 911s, it fits the theme and looks just a bit more interesting and aggressive.
1. You *know* the 991 Touring is a manual ONLY car when you see one - just like the 911R and Speedster! Unlike the 992 Touring which is not a pure manual-only model.
2. I prefer the size. 991 is *almost* too big, 992 *is* too big.
3. I prefer the more old-school gauges and less digital dash, which matches the Touring moniker (originally from the 73 RS Touring) aptly.
4. It has the same engine displacement and redline as the new GT3 (which wasn't really an improvement in the engine department, likely due to Chinese engine displacement taxation brackets and Euro emissions concerns, unfortunately).
5. It felt like they over-hyped the new front suspension to distract us from the lack of engine upgrade we got on every other new GT3 generation. Yes the suspension is technically great, almost too great. It now has a similar type of front suspension often found in sporty cars such as the Miata, but to me the front end of he car feels notably less Porsche-like than the feel of the manual-only 991 GT3 Touring. The older car has a lighter-feeling front end, less grippy tires as well, which to me is more synonymous with the typical character of Porsche 911s over the decades. The new car is too perfect - it's almost Ferrari mid-engined feeling in terms of balance now.
6. 991 GT3 Touring will likely end up being more rare in terms of production than the 992 GT3 Touring (even moreso for PTS examples, only 156 were made for north America and estimated double that figure for the entire world, back when they were producing 10% of the PTS volume they are now doing today).
To me the 992 Touring is a well-engineered car, but a failure of the name and the formula it should represent - because it totally missed the spirit of the 991 Touring and the 73 RS Touring after which it was named by virtue of having an automatic transmission offered and being such a bigger, more digital, higher-tech, and more luxurious car. It's gone opposite of the spirit of the 73 RS Touring and 991 Touring, and seems to be more of a gentleman's comfy cruising car. Albeit with the old GT3 engine, plugged into an less aesthetically pleasing shell than last generation (unless you prefer the nostrils and futuristic taillights, ha)! I doubt the 992 GT3 design details will stand the test of time, in the same way I doubt the newest M3 will.
The Touring was the absolute gem of the 991 generation in terms of looks and performance - as was the 911R - though unfortunately the engine isn't as good, and 911Rs are more often than not resigned to collector car duties, not driving car duties.
The Sport Classic seems to be the gem of the 992 generation, a better looking 992 with classic vibes and special driving character. That is the car of this generation, the Touring is the car of the previous gen. Both are Ultimate modern manual driver's Porsche with the right balance to make it an instant classic, but I'll still take the less luxurious and better sounding 991 Touring in the end.
How many 992.1 Tourings do you estimate will be made? And how many of those will be manual?
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05-03-2023, 05:06 PM
#1300
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Very well put. As I have previously posted on this forum I owned both a 991 and 992 Touring at the same time. I decided to keep the 991 after being able to compare them side by side in terms of looks, driving experience and all of the other things you mentioned. I’m so glad I decided to keep my 991 when I got delivery of my 992. I would have definitely regretted selling the 991. The design, functionality and aesthetics are all in favor of the 991 as far as i am concerned. I also think it is more special. I see a lot of 992 Tourings now and hardly ever see a 991.
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05-03-2023, 06:59 PM
#1301
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Without actual production numbers confirmed for the 992 generation, it is all speculation.
So far, unofficial estimates seem to suggest that the 992.1 6-spd manual Touring may indeed end up being in a smaller denomination than the 991 Touring (at least for the USA), though of course GT3 production can continue on into MY24.
We will have to wait and see final prod #s when formal 992.1 lifecycle EOP occurs.
So far, unofficial estimates seem to suggest that the 992.1 6-spd manual Touring may indeed end up being in a smaller denomination than the 991 Touring (at least for the USA), though of course GT3 production can continue on into MY24.
We will have to wait and see final prod #s when formal 992.1 lifecycle EOP occurs.
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05-03-2023, 08:19 PM
#1302
Without actual production numbers confirmed for the 992 generation, it is all speculation.
So far, unofficial estimates seem to suggest that the 992.1 6-spd manual Touring may indeed end up being in a smaller denomination than the 991 Touring (at least for the USA), though of course GT3 production can continue on into MY24.
We will have to wait and see final prod #s when formal 992.1 lifecycle EOP occurs.
So far, unofficial estimates seem to suggest that the 992.1 6-spd manual Touring may indeed end up being in a smaller denomination than the 991 Touring (at least for the USA), though of course GT3 production can continue on into MY24.
We will have to wait and see final prod #s when formal 992.1 lifecycle EOP occurs.
05-03-2023, 09:52 PM
#1303
Rennlist Member
Has any one hears from a reliable source there will be more tourings than winged GT3s in the Fall allocations? Thought I heard that somewhere but may have dreamt it.
05-04-2023, 04:59 AM
#1304
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I think there were ~730 991 Tourings sold in NA
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05-04-2023, 04:15 PM
#1305
Burning Brakes
In no world are they making less 992.1 tourings than 991.2 touring. No shot, that ship has already sailed
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