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Keep in mind as these are sales numbers and sales don't get posted until retail delivery, the bulk of the 'sales' for GT3, GT3RS and GT2RS are probably not in these numbers. The total 'sales' numbers from September - December will most probably be greater than these totals as regards those models.
Keep in mind as these are sales numbers and sales don't get posted until retail delivery, the bulk of the 'sales' for GT3, GT3RS and GT2RS are probably not in these numbers. The total 'sales' numbers from September - December will most probably be greater than these totals as regards those models.
I've spoken to him and he's produced very credible information. He's showing sales data and the GT3, GT3RS and GT2RS are in these numbers and it makes sense. I know a number of people who have tried to order regular 911's and to be told no, whereas we have heard from dealer principals that additional PTS for GT3 and GT3RS were recently announced...shows additional production or cancelled production for regular 911 models.
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Keep in mind as these are sales numbers and sales don't get posted until retail delivery, the bulk of the 'sales' for GT3, GT3RS and GT2RS are probably not in these numbers. The total 'sales' numbers from September - December will most probably be greater than these totals as regards those models.
There are a couple competing drivers for Sept-Dec to keep in mind. 1) the EU is not getting cars due to the emissions change so more for NA/ROW (the dip in summer was undoubtedly more heading to the EU before the ban) 2) there will be at least three GT cars in simultaneous production (GT3, GT3RS, GT2RS).
I am very interested to see the 2017 GT3 sales numbers compared to cams and Loews numbers to see how close they line up. There should be a ~1 month lag from production to sale, but there are also not a ton of new unsold cars sitting on lots to distort the total figures (most cars on the lot for sale are sold as used with one owner so would be captured in both sets of numbers).
I am thinking GT3 sales hover around the 100-150 range per month. That would put total US production in the 2500 range all in.
I've spoken to Ahmed and he's produced very credible information. He's showing sales data and the GT3, GT3RS and GT2RS are in these numbers and it makes sense. I know a number of people who have tried to order regular 911's and to be told no, whereas we have heard from dealer principals that additional PTS for GT3 and GT3RS were recently announced...shows additional production or cancelled production for regular 911 models.
I have no doubt that the information is credible. Doesn't change what I posted.
Edit: I think the misunderstanding is that when I say bulk of the sales - I mean grand totals when its all said and done - not that he is missing sales in his data.
There are a couple competing drivers for Sept-Dec to keep in mind. 1) the EU is not getting cars due to the emissions change so more for NA/ROW (the dip in summer was undoubtedly more heading to the EU before the ban) 2) there will be at least three GT cars in simultaneous production (GT3, GT3RS, GT2RS).
I am very interested to see the 2017 GT3 sales numbers compared to cams and Loews numbers to see how close they line up. There should be a ~1 month lag from production to sale, but there are also not a ton of new unsold cars sitting on lots to distort the total figures (most cars on the lot for sale are sold as used with one owner so would be captured in both sets of numbers).
I am thinking GT3 sales hover around the 100-150 range per month. That would put total US production in the 2500 range all in.
All good points - I guess we can play the prediction game for total NA production (which will go into calendar 2019 it appears).
I'll take a shot at it ... 2250 GT3, 1100 GT3RS, 650 GT2RS.
So sounds like 1,100 made in 2017 or so WW from that last info we had from Jan 18 1,093 BUILT not delivered I know. So slightly less than half that or around 500 going to u.s., so 500+ 1,093 + another 150 for 6 months forward as builds will end in Jan/Feb deliv. Feb/March puts U.S. production at 2,350 for u.s? or 4,700-5k WW 2017: 500, 2018=1800, 2019=150 Total=2,450
gt3 rs will end Jan/Feb as well it sounds like, unless they extend it. Does anyone know if they are or will? Sounds like another 6 months at 150 a month as well puts it at about 900 to the u.s. or 1,800-2k WW???
gt3: 2,450 u.s.
gt3 rs: 900 u.s.
gt2rs: 500 u.s. (1,000 ww seems a good guess as previously stated from others around forum)
I have no doubt that the information is credible. Doesn't change what I posted.
Edit: I think the misunderstanding is that when I say bulk of the sales - I mean grand totals when its all said and done - not that he is missing sales in his data.
Ahhh...gotcha. I agree, overall production will be interesting to see.
So sounds like 1,100 made in 2017 or so WW from that last info we had from Jan 18 1,093 BUILT not delivered I know. So slightly less than half that or around 500 going to u.s., so 500+ 1,093 + another 150 for 6 months forward as builds will end in Jan/Feb deliv. Feb/March puts U.S. production at 2,350 for u.s? or 4,700-5k WW 2017: 500, 2018=1800, 2019=150 Total=2,450
gt3 rs will end Jan/Feb as well it sounds like, unless they extend it. Does anyone know if they are or will? Sounds like another 6 months at 150 a month as well puts it at about 900 to the u.s. or 1,800-2k WW???
gt3: 2,450 u.s.
gt3 rs: 900 u.s.
gt2rs: 500 u.s. (1,000 ww seems a good guess as previously stated from others around forum)
I feel like these numbers should be higher right?
You gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers
So sounds like 1,100 made in 2017 or so WW from that last info we had from Jan 18 1,093 BUILT not delivered I know. So slightly less than half that or around 500 going to u.s., so 500+ 1,093 + another 150 for 6 months forward as builds will end in Jan/Feb deliv. Feb/March puts U.S. production at 2,350 for u.s? or 4,700-5k WW 2017: 500, 2018=1800, 2019=150 Total=2,450
gt3 rs will end Jan/Feb as well it sounds like, unless they extend it. Does anyone know if they are or will? Sounds like another 6 months at 150 a month as well puts it at about 900 to the u.s. or 1,800-2k WW???
gt3: 2,450 u.s.
gt3 rs: 900 u.s.
gt2rs: 500 u.s. (1,000 ww seems a good guess as previously stated from others around forum)
I feel like these numbers should be higher right?
Nope, there will be at least 1,200 to 1,400 GT3RSs and 700 to 900 GT2RSs in the US which means worldwide there will be about 4,500-5,000 GT3RSs and 2,500-3,000 GT2RSs.
Why save production space runs of regular 911's when you can sell more GT cars for more profitability per car) VERY Smart on Porsche's part....I don't believe that profitability on GT cars is much less than regular cars.........it probably is real close..............
Nope, there will be at least 1,200 to 1,400 GT3RSs and 700 to 900 GT2RSs in the US which means worldwide there will be about 4,500-5,000 GT3RSs and 2,500-3,000 GT2RSs.
how do you come up with “at least 1200-1400 3RS’s”? There were only 1,318 991.1 GT3RS’s built for the USA and as production for the 991.2 is shorter I’d have to assume there will be less then 1,318 this time around. I’d saying current estimates should be ~950 991.2 3RS and ~650 2RS for the States, same as 991.1 3RS/R
as for non RS. They built 1,963 991.1 GT3’s total for the USA for 14/15/16 MY’s. As production capacity has increased and length will be similar to 991.1 they will build up to ~2,400 base GT3 for NA 18/19 MY.
RS production is slighter shorter this time around so even with increased capacity they will only build up to ~1450 2/3RS for 18/19 MY’s versus 1,614 3RS/R to USA for 2016 MY.
Based on all I have read in this thread.......Looks like Porsche could possible sell close to 1,500 - 2,000 in the one year of production (?) to the US for the 991.2 GT3......
That definitely shows the strong demand for people actually driving/tracking these regular GT 3 cars or for speculators thinking the 18 is the last of the NA/especially manual or that cars are truly a limited production proposition........ for collecting purposes.......
Then there are the flippers.....
It look like the hype and retained value record really helped from the 991.1 history with the so called "limited" production on the GT3 regular....................Porsche people wanted a car that could perform and also keep its value over time or even appreciate........not a bad pipe dream really........
how do you come up with “at least 1200-1400 3RS’s”? There were only 1,318 991.1 GT3RS’s built for the USA and as production for the 991.2 is shorter I’d have to assume there will be less then 1,318 this time around. I’d tend to agree with welikethetrack estimates at under 1k 991.2 3RS and under 1k 2RS for the US.
as for non RS. They built 1,963 991.1 GT3’s total for the USA over the 3+ year production run.
Please post links to your source ... we would appreciate the attribution TIA
I am pretty decent at math and I know, porsche sells about 9,000 911's a year in the u.s. 8,970 2016, and 8,901 for 2017
gt3: production run of about 18 full months
gt3rs: production run of about 9 full months
gt2rs: Production run of about 9 full months at 1/2 volume of 3/3rs
Est. sales = sales/total911sales*productionrun
gt3= 2,349 1,093/6,271 opening 8 months 2018 911 prod= 17.2% of 911's are gt3's. with a 18 month production run 9k*1.5=13,500 17.4% of 13,500 is 2,349. WW maybe 3x that so 7,500
gt3 rs= 961 119/835= Aug prod. of gt3 rs/total 911= 14.25% of 911 are gt3 rs. With a 9 month production we have 9k*.75= 6,750 14.25% are gt3 rs, so 961 so maybe 3x or 2,800 ww
gt2rs= 712 222/2,102 =production of Jun/Jul/Aug gt2rs/ total 911 for Jun/Jul/Aug= 10.56% with a prod. run of 9 months 9k*.75=6,750 10.56% are gt2 rs so 712 u.s. or 3x or 2,100 WW
I bet I am within 10% on these numbers to actual....I am a good mather
I am pretty decent at math and I know, porsche sells about 9,000 911's a year in the u.s. 8,970 2016, and 8,901 for 2017
gt3: production run of about 18 full months
gt3rs: production run of about 9 full months
gt2rs: Production run of about 9 full months at 1/2 volume of 3/3rs
Est. sales = sales/total911sales*productionrun
gt3= 2,349 1,093/6,271 opening 8 months 2018 911 prod= 17.2% of 911's are gt3's. with a 18 month production run 9k*1.5=13,500 17.4% of 13,500 is 2,349. WW maybe 3x that so 7,500
gt3 rs= 961 119/835= Aug prod. of gt3 rs/total 911= 14.25% of 911 are gt3 rs. With a 9 month production we have 9k*.75= 6,750 14.25% are gt3 rs, so 961 so maybe 3x or 2,800 ww
gt2rs= 712 222/2,102 =production of Jun/Jul/Aug gt2rs/ total 911 for Jun/Jul/Aug= 10.56% with a prod. run of 9 months 9k*.75=6,750 10.56% are gt2 rs so 712 u.s. or 3x or 2,100 WW
I bet I am within 10% on these numbers to actual....I am a good mather
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09-25-2018, 05:26 PM
) VERY Smart on Porsche's part....I don't believe that profitability on GT cars is much less than regular cars.........it probably is real close..............
