991.1 GT3 COG: Our Meeting with PCNA/PAG plus Porsche's Official Announcement
08-07-2017 | 06:57 PM
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No offense intended, but I think it would be very unwise for a 991.1 GT3 owner to tamper with the engine in the hope of slightly 'upgrading' it, at high risk of voiding a 10yr/120K warranty. If I was in Porsche's shoes, I'd certainly deny warranty coverage in that circumstance.
After the warranty expires, that's a different story, and rebuilds and upgrades are on the table. But warranty expiration is, fortunately, now very far away.
The warranty is gift and bargain for anyone who intends to track the car heavily. 120K miles is about 1300 hours at track speeds. Where else can you put up to 1300 track hours on an engine, spend nothing on rebuilds during those 1300 hours, and you get a new engine at no cost if it fails during those 1300 hours?
After the warranty expires, that's a different story, and rebuilds and upgrades are on the table. But warranty expiration is, fortunately, now very far away.
The warranty is gift and bargain for anyone who intends to track the car heavily. 120K miles is about 1300 hours at track speeds. Where else can you put up to 1300 track hours on an engine, spend nothing on rebuilds during those 1300 hours, and you get a new engine at no cost if it fails during those 1300 hours?
08-07-2017 | 06:58 PM
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08-07-2017 | 06:59 PM
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For those wondering how good a result this is, it is unbelievably good for track guys. 120k miles is 1,200 hours at an average of 100mph (most tracks in the US are not nearly this fast). Most track cars that rev to 9,000 rpm require a new engine or major rebuild by 100 hours. So, this warranty is the equivalent of 12 motors included with the 991.1 GT3 (for this particular failure mode). Pretty astounding! Puts an owner completely at ease with respect to the finger follower issue.
This will be very good for the car's reputation and resale value!
This will be very good for the car's reputation and resale value!
08-07-2017 | 07:00 PM
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We will await Porsche's official announcement on that. I believe it's for this issue.
The testing procedure is as follows - misfire code, open valve cover and inspect , FF shows wear, then new engine.
08-07-2017 | 07:06 PM
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Great Efforts = Fantastic Results
Kudos to all who helped make this outcome a reality and special thank you to Rob for seeing this through to the end; a true class act
Ultimately...an RS is an RS. :-)
this made me laugh so hard
Kudos to all who helped make this outcome a reality and special thank you to Rob for seeing this through to the end; a true class act
Originally Posted by robmypro
Ultimately...an RS is an RS. :-)
this made me laugh so hard
08-07-2017 | 07:06 PM
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You are right, Sean. It ONLY covers this specific issue. Everything else is covered under the 4 year, 50,000 standard warranty (in the USA).
08-07-2017 | 07:19 PM
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Oh well, let's hope my PTS comes through!
A similar solution happened in 2003 with BMW and E46 M3's with rod bearing failures. Extended the warranty to 6 years 100K miles. The cars that had this coverage ended up being more valuable during the warranty period.
Great work Rob and good on Porsche for doing the right thing!
08-07-2017 | 07:20 PM
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My question is did they know about this issue and if so when did they know? If not and it only came to their attention because of the group action, why didn't they know it?
08-07-2017 | 07:21 PM
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Unbelievable result and an absolute credit to the group who hunted this down. I would like to think that your collective efforts were the linchpin for Porsche to make such a grand gesture.
Amongst all the trivial stuff that gets posted, this is an outstanding reminder that there is some real substatial purpose in being a member of this forum.
And big thanks to Porsche, since I had my engine rebuild, I had almost become reluctant to drive it but now I feel I can get out there and just drive.
THIS IS WHY WE BUY PORSCHE!
Amongst all the trivial stuff that gets posted, this is an outstanding reminder that there is some real substatial purpose in being a member of this forum.
And big thanks to Porsche, since I had my engine rebuild, I had almost become reluctant to drive it but now I feel I can get out there and just drive.
THIS IS WHY WE BUY PORSCHE!
08-07-2017 | 07:23 PM
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Porsche had to put that language in there because otherwise people could be negligent about oil changes, putting sugar in the gas, etc. and still try to get warranty coverage.
I'm confident that Porsche will stand behind the warranty, and am going to continue to drive the heck out of the car (while doing diligent maintenance).