GT3 Dealer Allocation Thread
03-13-2017, 05:05 PM
#196
Instructor
I doubt they can produce 10000 991.2gt3 in two years. But, I also doubt there will be a demand for 10000 cars WW?
991rs was released Geneva 2015 together with gt4,
They managed to make 5000RS during 1.5 years. Gt4 was probably easy to produce compared to all the CF and magnesium panels on RS.
991.2 will be the only street GT car until gt2rs or (gt4rs) is on the production line.
This time Porsche is ready. Let's just see how long the hype is there. Seems like very little patience by gt3/RS buyers. Smart to sit back and relax, enjoy what you got and spec one when the dust has settled. Likely in a year.
991rs was released Geneva 2015 together with gt4,
They managed to make 5000RS during 1.5 years. Gt4 was probably easy to produce compared to all the CF and magnesium panels on RS.
991.2 will be the only street GT car until gt2rs or (gt4rs) is on the production line.
This time Porsche is ready. Let's just see how long the hype is there. Seems like very little patience by gt3/RS buyers. Smart to sit back and relax, enjoy what you got and spec one when the dust has settled. Likely in a year.
03-13-2017, 05:07 PM
#197
With no other GT or special cars being built right now (at least that I know of) I don't see why they couldn't build 25 or more GT3's per day. There are no special steps or stops on the production line and no really limited supply parts like with the RS or R. That would be over 500 cars per month or around 8500 cars in 16 months. They may not start with that many but I don't see why they wouldn't ramp up to that or more.
I believe they aren't really sure what the real demand for the car is right now but they will get a good handle on it over the next few months.
I believe they aren't really sure what the real demand for the car is right now but they will get a good handle on it over the next few months.
03-13-2017, 05:11 PM
#198
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Needspeed: No. GT3s were going to built in 2014 and 2015. They added an extra few hundred 2016s which were not expected. RS was always going to be a one model year production run. Depending on who you believe, they either planned to build all through calendar 2016 but managed the perception of scarcity, or some amount was added towards the end to satisfy demand.
03-13-2017, 05:27 PM
#199
Originally Posted by Loess
With no other GT or special cars being built right now (at least that I know of) I don't see why they couldn't build 25 or more GT3's per day. There are no special steps or stops on the production line and no really limited supply parts like with the RS or R. That would be over 500 cars per month or around 8500 cars in 16 months. They may not start with that many but I don't see why they wouldn't ramp up to that or more.
I believe they aren't really sure what the real demand for the car is right now but they will get a good handle on it over the next few months.
I believe they aren't really sure what the real demand for the car is right now but they will get a good handle on it over the next few months.
It's not a coincidence that the gt2rs will start production Q1 2018. It won't take up a lot of space from 991.2gt3 production but enough to complement. Porsche has left the line open for 991.2gt3. They knew it will be a homerun. And I think it is.
Think they where taken a little by surprise of the demand for 991rs and gt4 and that's why some issues with LWB early on. And a lot of RS towards end of production.
03-13-2017, 05:29 PM
#200
Nordschleife Master
The deposit was made without guarantee allocation.
At that time, I was told for an RS car, I will need previous purchase history to be able to get it, which I understand. I was also told for a GT3, with such early deposit, I should have a pretty good chance.
Now the mighty new GT3 turned out to be a highly desirable car and I guess my deposit doesn't worth much anymore.
Called other Ontario dealership, got the same answer. Looks like I am not the only one then.
Coming from other brands, this is pretty frustrating to see Ferrari games are now played by Porsche.
At that time, I was told for an RS car, I will need previous purchase history to be able to get it, which I understand. I was also told for a GT3, with such early deposit, I should have a pretty good chance.
Now the mighty new GT3 turned out to be a highly desirable car and I guess my deposit doesn't worth much anymore.
Called other Ontario dealership, got the same answer. Looks like I am not the only one then.
Coming from other brands, this is pretty frustrating to see Ferrari games are now played by Porsche.
I've had a deposit on this car for years and I'm sweating bullets wondering if I'm going to get an early 6 speed. I'm fairly confident, but you can't expect to come late to the dance and take home the prom queen.
Hang in there, P will make enough for you to get one. It just might not be one of the first.
03-13-2017, 05:44 PM
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If it makes you feel better, I've bought more than 25 depreciating P cars from the Toronto dealers over the last 15 years or so. I've also had a few that have appreciated.
I've had a deposit on this car for years and I'm sweating bullets wondering if I'm going to get an early 6 speed. I'm fairly confident, but you can't expect to come late to the dance and take home the prom queen.
Hang in there, P will make enough for you to get one. It just might not be one of the first.
I've had a deposit on this car for years and I'm sweating bullets wondering if I'm going to get an early 6 speed. I'm fairly confident, but you can't expect to come late to the dance and take home the prom queen.
Hang in there, P will make enough for you to get one. It just might not be one of the first.
03-13-2017, 05:57 PM
#202
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I doubt they can produce 10000 991.2gt3 in two years. But, I also doubt there will be a demand for 10000 cars WW?
991rs was released Geneva 2015 together with gt4,
They managed to make 5000RS during 1.5 years. Gt4 was probably easy to produce compared to all the CF and magnesium panels on RS.
991.2 will be the only street GT car until gt2rs or (gt4rs) is on the production line.
This time Porsche is ready. Let's just see how long the hype is there. Seems like very little patience by gt3/RS buyers. Smart to sit back and relax, enjoy what you got and spec one when the dust has settled. Likely in a year.
991rs was released Geneva 2015 together with gt4,
They managed to make 5000RS during 1.5 years. Gt4 was probably easy to produce compared to all the CF and magnesium panels on RS.
991.2 will be the only street GT car until gt2rs or (gt4rs) is on the production line.
This time Porsche is ready. Let's just see how long the hype is there. Seems like very little patience by gt3/RS buyers. Smart to sit back and relax, enjoy what you got and spec one when the dust has settled. Likely in a year.
03-13-2017, 06:02 PM
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If it makes you feel better, I've bought more than 25 depreciating P cars from the Toronto dealers over the last 15 years or so. I've also had a few that have appreciated.
I've had a deposit on this car for years and I'm sweating bullets wondering if I'm going to get an early 6 speed. I'm fairly confident, but you can't expect to come late to the dance and take home the prom queen.
Hang in there, P will make enough for you to get one. It just might not be one of the first.
I've had a deposit on this car for years and I'm sweating bullets wondering if I'm going to get an early 6 speed. I'm fairly confident, but you can't expect to come late to the dance and take home the prom queen.
Hang in there, P will make enough for you to get one. It just might not be one of the first.
03-13-2017, 06:07 PM
#204
Three Wheelin'
I'm surprised the histeria hasn't dissipated yet
Called my dealer yesterday to ask him to notify me when a CHALK panamera is in stock. I want to see that color in person before I decide to spec my GT3 that way
He told me that being #7 on the list he expects me to get a car mid 2018 (took them 2 years to deliver the 10 991.1 gt3 to all the buyers that wanted one). He wasn't worried at all about the supply of cars
Now if you are late to the game and you are #20 on the list, that's a different story...expect to pay a premium after a lot of phone calls to different dealerships
Called my dealer yesterday to ask him to notify me when a CHALK panamera is in stock. I want to see that color in person before I decide to spec my GT3 that way
He told me that being #7 on the list he expects me to get a car mid 2018 (took them 2 years to deliver the 10 991.1 gt3 to all the buyers that wanted one). He wasn't worried at all about the supply of cars
Now if you are late to the game and you are #20 on the list, that's a different story...expect to pay a premium after a lot of phone calls to different dealerships
03-13-2017, 06:17 PM
#205
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Thread Starter
There are also going to be those guys who've never owned a GT car who want one and then after they get one it's going to be too loud for them, too stiff for them, not enough storage space for them, or some other reason. So those cars will also come back to the market.
03-13-2017, 06:19 PM
#206
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With no other GT or special cars being built right now (at least that I know of) I don't see why they couldn't build 25 or more GT3's per day. There are no special steps or stops on the production line and no really limited supply parts like with the RS or R. That would be over 500 cars per month or around 8500 cars in 16 months. They may not start with that many but I don't see why they wouldn't ramp up to that or more.
I believe they aren't really sure what the real demand for the car is right now but they will get a good handle on it over the next few months.
I believe they aren't really sure what the real demand for the car is right now but they will get a good handle on it over the next few months.
Why would Porsche build more 'less profitable' cars than 'more profitable' ones?
GT cars have less options, and higher cost parts per car. The regular run of the mill 911s and 718s are more profitable.
Zuffenhausen is pretty much maxed out, they can only do ~270 cars a day. Remember, the 718 also shared that line, together with all the 911 variants, so not all 270 cars a day are 911s.
The GT3 engines are also much more specialized, takes longer to build and check.
The bucket seats are also from a supplier, which Porsche have no control of how many can be made a day.
03-13-2017, 06:21 PM
#207
There are also going to be those guys who've never owned a GT car who want one and then after they get one it's going to be too loud for them, too stiff for them, not enough storage space for them, or some other reason. So those cars will also come back to the market.
03-13-2017, 06:37 PM
#208
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Thread Starter
Why would Porsche build more 'less profitable' cars than 'more profitable' ones?
GT cars have less options, and higher cost parts per car. The regular run of the mill 911s and 718s are more profitable.
Zuffenhausen is pretty much maxed out, they can only do ~270 cars a day. Remember, the 718 also shared that line, together with all the 911 variants, so not all 270 cars a day are 911s.
The GT3 engines are also much more specialized, takes longer to build and check.
The bucket seats are also from a supplier, which Porsche have no control of how many can be made a day.
GT cars have less options, and higher cost parts per car. The regular run of the mill 911s and 718s are more profitable.
Zuffenhausen is pretty much maxed out, they can only do ~270 cars a day. Remember, the 718 also shared that line, together with all the 911 variants, so not all 270 cars a day are 911s.
The GT3 engines are also much more specialized, takes longer to build and check.
The bucket seats are also from a supplier, which Porsche have no control of how many can be made a day.
03-13-2017, 07:03 PM
#210
Point is, it's easy to think that everyone want the new GT3 since it just debuted and we are on Rennlist in the GT section. Reality is, your typical guy or gal that walks into a Porsche dealership will most likely walk away with a non-GT car.