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that's a 73.5 no? with the front rubber on bumper?
Originally Posted by GrantG
Only the 911T (entry-level Touring model) had a 73.5 model
(they removed the Mechanical Fuel Injection for CIS). The
73S is just a 73S all year long.
True. But the early MY1973 911's didn't get the extra large
front rubber bumpers until a few months into '73 production.
That is perhaps why Mooty asked the question to indicate
it was likely later in production.
The new US DOT bumper regulations went into effect on
Jan 1, 1973. And any car imported after that date had to
have the re-design. But many of the early MY1973 911s
were built & imported with the more 'traditional' bumpers
seen in earlier models - except the chrome bits were covered
with a black rubbery/plasticky 'coating' to go with the new
'black' trim design theme of MY1973 Porsches.
And for the record MY1973 911 production started very early
that year. The first day of production was early July of 1972
at Zuffenhausen. I had a first day of production MY1973
911T (VIN # 035) with S trim & it looked like this:
And yes, Mooty, it was an original paint in 'Signal Yellow', color code 114!
It was not unusual for Porsche to wait until the last minute to make
production changes in time to comply with new US regulations AFTER
the start of MY production nearly six months before the rules went into
effect. For example, the newly required double-locking safety mechanism
on the optional Recaro sport seats were not introduced into production
until October of 1972, so earlier MY1973 sport seats were identical to
the MY1972 single-lock models!
Originally Posted by GrantG
...in 1999, I bought my 73 911S 2.4L for $16k in
Aubergine and I have the feeling there was no
other interested buyer at the time.
I personally love the Porsche purples hues. But
in truth the UV rays were specially hard on this
'72 & '73 vintage 'Aubergine' paint! It didn't
weathered particularly well & original examples
in time tended to have a milky/worn look, which
put off many on the color! Today, I am particularly
impressed with the new 'Ultra Violet' hue, which I
think is one of the best colors that PAG has developed
in ages! But that is a very personal opinion.
Sorry for this small detour into the history of
these cars...but it often helps to tell longer
version of the story like Paul Harvey used
to do!
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Originally Posted by tonymission
Example: LO is PTS on the GT3 and standard on the RS.
Originally Posted by sgroer
LO is not PTS on the GT3. It was available as a regular color
on the 2016 GT3 when it was released on the RS.
Yes. Technically it was available as a 'Special Color' on MY2016 991,
after it was introduced as a 'Special Color' & the 'communication color'
(German speak for color chosen for primary publicity photos at intro)
of the 991.1 gt3 RS.
And for the record, PTS was available on a limited basis on MY2014 gt3.
PTS was mostly put on hold for the MY2015 gt3 (along with other 991/
981), with the exception of a few early '15 production cars & the 30 late
US allocation PTS gt3s in 'Signal Green', 'Arena Red Metallic' & 'Fashion
Grey'. And PTS was not allowed on any MY2016 gt3s - period.
Originally Posted by tonymission
Ha! That would make sense. I was going off the salesman telling
me the 15 was a PTS. Didn't know it changed for 16.
To make it clear to all forum readers, 'Lava Orange' was NOT offered
as PTS in MY2015 on any Porsche! It was a new formulation color
introduced for the first time in the MY2016 991 gt3 RS!
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Originally Posted by laranja
Just go for Signal Orange and you can never be wrong.
One of my favorite historic/vintage early 911 colors.
Unfortunately not currently approved for PTS at PAG.
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Originally Posted by Dougr743
I am sure this has been beaten down. I have searched many posted
but trying to decide if a PTS is a blessing or curse. I usually by black
or silver cars due my inability to like something for a long period of
time. I really like the blues and greens and have been tossing around
a PTS. Yesterday my dealer said it would not be a problem, so for
those who have PTS colors, has it become "old" quick or do you like
the uniqueness of the color.
I, for one, like the uniqueness of distinct colors in my Porsches!
But it's not for everyone.
But not all 'PTS' colors are created equal...so you have to choose wisely.
And whatever you do, don't get too carried away by narrative of the
'Pied Piper' of PTS here at Rennlist. I hear he has made a persuasive
case for PTS for many in this forum. So caveat emptor & read with
caution!
True. But the early MY1973 911's didn't get the extra large
front rubber bumpers until a few months into '73 production.
That is perhaps why Mooty asked the question to indicate
it was likely later in production.
Gotcha, it was VIN #1295, so fairly late production. My current 73 hotrod is later at VIN# 2010 (I guess it was a 73.5 T when new), so one of the last long-hoods. I don't know about the original bumperettes, since it's only had carbon and no bumperettes in front and little carbon rear bumperettes since I've owned it...
Eduardo, back in 1973 when I was in high school, I had a teacher who had a brand new 914 and wondered how it compared to the traditional 911's of that era? Also, how many years did they produce the 914? Thank you.
I am sure this has been beaten down. I have searched many posted but trying to decide if a PTS is a blessing or curse. I usually by black or silver cars due my inability to like something for a long period of time. I really like the blues and greens and have been tossing around a PTS. Yesterday my dealer said it would not be a problem, so for those who have PTS colors, has it become "old" quick or do you like the uniqueness of the color. thanks
If your dealer told you that, you should question everything he says.
What is your opinion of Miami blue?
I recall you saying it looks great in
person.
I love it. It's not as great as the King & Queen
of PTS ('Mexico Blue' & 'Riviera Blue') because
of its slight 'green' tint...but it's lovely nevertheless!
Porsche heard us asking for bright, vintage-like
colors like those they produced in the early 1970's
& now available mostly via the difficult-to-get PTS.
So they incorporated two PTS-like colors into their
'Special Color' offerings ('Miami Blue' & 'Lava Orange').
Both are cheaper than PTS. And more importantly,
they are both available to any customer at any time
during the order process, rather than having the
customer depend on the vagaries of the 'on/off'
PTS order window & the confusion often associated
with ordering this limited availability option!
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Gotcha, it was VIN #1295, so fairly late production.
My current 73 hotrod is later at VIN# 2010 (I guess
it was a 73.5 T when new), so one of the last long-hoods.
Congratulations. It looks stunning! Never seen that paint
scheme before on a 911. Very unique!
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Originally Posted by bronson7
Eduardo, back in 1973 when I was in high school,
I had a teacher who had a brand new 914 and
wondered how it compared to the traditional
911's of that era?
Totally different beast. Mid-engine handling at an
age where the 911 needed expert driving to get the
most of its potential prowess. In general they were
slower due to their smaller VW engines (except for
the 914-6) but less weight too. It was truly what
was called a momentum car on the track...you tried
not to brake too much. Just throw it into the turns
& keep it going 'fast'! A lot of fun in its time. It was
a favorite of autocross drivers & time trials in short
tracks (e.g. Lime Rock & Laguna Seca).
Originally Posted by bronson7
Also, how many years did they produce the 914?
From MY1970 to MY1976. So seven years of
production at Karmann Osnabrück. As all of
you know, it was a joint-venture with VW.
The 914-6 was produced only in the first two years
& installed at Zuffenhausen with a 2.0 engine from
the 1969 911 (after it was initially also 'built' at Osnabrück).
This model was not a big seller at the time. It was too
expensive. It competed directly in price with a 911T.
It is only in recent times that it has received proper
recognition as a 'collectible'. I always thought the lighter
1973 914 2.0 was the best model they made in the
range. That VW engine has almost as much torque
as the Porsche 2.0 6-cylinder & was lighter. And that
is why I went back to finding this model for my recent
acquisition. All together, nearly 120,000 914s were sold,
of which only around 3300 were 914-6. And, by the way,
some of the most stunning colors of the period were found
on 914's - 'Willow Green', 'Zambezi Green', Ravenna Green'
& 'Olympic Blue' but to name a few!
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Originally Posted by sportscentury
If your dealer told you that, you should question
everything he says.
This a great thread. I've seen thirty or so different PTS colors and I enjoy seeing other peoples PTS cars. However, there is no PTS color that calls to me personally.
I like the idea of a rare PTS color on my Porsche, and the value idea, and I'm in good enough with my dealer that I could likely get PTS, but I fear in the end I would just add value to a GT3 with a PTS color that I just wouldn't like as well as Guards Red which I think looks fantastic on the 991 GT3.
After reading the first two pages of this thread, I feel good about ordering my .2 GT3 in Guards Red, again.
I would guess no. Not until possibly 2020,
or about 5 years on from the 2015 Club Coupe
that the colour debuted on.
I don't believe there is any set rule which
can give any time schedule to count on.
PCA has asked PAG/PCNA to make 'Club
Blue' an exclusive indefinitely, to preserve
the value of their member's 60th Anniversary
'Limited Edition' GTS. So who knows if Porsche
will honor that request. But PCA has influence
& pull with both PAG/PCN, so it would not
surprise me if they keep 'Club Blau' out of
the approved list. Note that someone could
still as ask for a feasibility on the historic 1974
'Acid / Bahama Blue', from which 'Club Blue'
originated. But I doubt it would be approved.
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'Brewster Green', which was used on
the 13 991 'Club Coupe(s)' in 2012, quickly
appeared on the approved PTS list. I guess
there was no active lobby to keep it 'exclusive'
since they were done for the amorpheous
world wide Porsche clubs!
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The previous PCA 50th Anniversary 'Club Coupe'
Limited Edition' hue - 'Azurro California Metallic' -
eventually got into the PTS approved list. I don't
have a way of knowing how soon after 2005/2006.
But that car was done during the 997 period & fewer
folks back then were aware how PTS approvals were
done at PAG or if there was an 'approved' PTS list
that was circulated about (to be concerned with).
So keeping 'exclusive' that might have slipped the
mind of the PCA board at the time!
The color (code 3F3) is currently approved for the
Panamera & Macan. And it was under feasibility
for the 991/718 as of last Spring.
12-23-2016, 02:55 AM
