some 991.2 tidbits
07-12-2015, 04:38 AM
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some 991.2 tidbits
Originally Posted by acey81
Most people won't care that the 911 will be turbocharged. In fact most will see it as a plus after the first round of reviews. I know how this will go since the automotive journalists are in the hands of the manufacturers. "New 911 faster than Gt3 in xx range using 20% less fuel than the car it replaces" " incredible midrange" "Porsche have done the impossible, virtually no turbo lag" "the sound sounds nearly as good with the new sport exhaust". And voilÃ*. Sales through the roof and the only people who will mourn are people like us who hang out on forums like these.
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Exactly. Just like 488 gtb. Turbo charged have it's benefit. But the sound and response with NA are missing. That is why I am getting an rs after 997 turbo and Gtr. I really miss the feel of my 545i. Rear wheel drive and NA. It's best to have both. I believe that the 991.2 will be good and faster. Porsche will make them good and people will like turbo charged 911s.
Acey91 was saying that journos magically
(as ever) wont feel it because in hands of
manufacters
+1000
would you be as indipendent honest journalist
invited to luxury cars presentations daring a free honest
review? never
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[QUOTE=NateOZ;12425006]a GT3 later in life after they've sold people on the turbo message, the GT3 product will represent about 3% of total 991.2 sales of the product life cycle. You want to be 100% certain you've sold the turbo story to the market before trying to change it for such an insignificant product in dollar terms.[/t as .QUOTE]
+1
not only the above going against the big Turbo marketing show,
figure out the .2 GT3 would be faster
than .1 GT3 right? Then as fast as .1 RS and we know there will be still .1 RS to be produced ( and sold) next year
And they are late 1 year on the roadmap due the engine issues
What about skipping totally .2 GT3 ???
To celebrate new .2 991 turbos
going to
GT2 March 2016
GT2 RS March 2017
March 2018 .2 GT3 RS 600 units limited ed. much lighter 2S body
in Cup street interior sauce and manual?
Make sense but it s a speculation (yet)
and explains the strong interests from EU UK ME buyers that i received
about my .1 GT3 (As of today Last GT3 but not last RS...)
+1
not only the above going against the big Turbo marketing show,
figure out the .2 GT3 would be faster
than .1 GT3 right? Then as fast as .1 RS and we know there will be still .1 RS to be produced ( and sold) next year
And they are late 1 year on the roadmap due the engine issues
What about skipping totally .2 GT3 ???
To celebrate new .2 991 turbos
going to
GT2 March 2016
GT2 RS March 2017
March 2018 .2 GT3 RS 600 units limited ed. much lighter 2S body
in Cup street interior sauce and manual?
Make sense but it s a speculation (yet)
and explains the strong interests from EU UK ME buyers that i received
about my .1 GT3 (As of today Last GT3 but not last RS...)
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07-12-2015, 09:26 AM
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Most people won't care that the 911 will be turbocharged. In fact most will see it as a plus after the first round of reviews. I know how this will go since the automotive journalists are in the hands of the manufacturers. "New 911 faster than Gt3 in xx range using 20% less fuel than the car it replaces" " incredible midrange" "Porsche have done the impossible, virtually no turbo lag" "the sound sounds nearly as good with the new sport exhaust". And voilà. Sales through the roof and the only people who will mourn are people like us who hang out on forums like these.
So true, but I strongly feel if they ever go away from the NA engines in the GT3/RS they will never go back and possibly now the same for the PDK S vs. the MT. For the near future (5-6yrs.) they will still have the NA in them, atleast I hope.
07-12-2015, 09:44 AM
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some 991.2 tidbits
Automotive journalists have become a joke. Cheerleaders for the the manufacturers like mentioned.
Given free cars to drive for months and give a bad review? You'll be cut off the next round.
Given free cars to drive for months and give a bad review? You'll be cut off the next round.
07-12-2015, 11:24 PM
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Hi Macca, not before 991.2 platform
revealed, then it will be the market in true panic mode
joking, not sure depends on how effective .2RS will be
revealed, then it will be the market in true panic mode
joking, not sure depends on how effective .2RS will be
07-13-2015, 12:08 PM
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At that point i'm curious if it will even be worth going S. Given that its a turbo rig, it will be easily tunable. Leases will be had around $1000 /month for a car with 996 GT3 power. Don't really need that much more.
07-13-2015, 12:18 PM
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Most people won't care that the 911 will be turbocharged. In fact most will see it as a plus after the first round of reviews. I know how this will go since the automotive journalists are in the hands of the manufacturers. "New 911 faster than Gt3 in xx range using 20% less fuel than the car it replaces" " incredible midrange" "Porsche have done the impossible, virtually no turbo lag" "the sound sounds nearly as good with the new sport exhaust". And voilà. Sales through the roof and the only people who will mourn are people like us who hang out on forums like these.
True. Enthusiasts will buy whatever Porsche gives them. They will buy all of them as usual. No different. Heard the same thing about DCT. Bought all those. No different here. People just like to fret.
Turbo does offer the option of upgrading performance aftermarket which is nice.
07-13-2015, 12:21 PM
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Aside from cosmetic touches, the S models will often have upgraded suspension, brakes, wheels, etc as standard.
07-13-2015, 04:32 PM
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MSRP will go up.
They did the turbo "downgrade" on the Cayenne and Panamera already. Probably good to look there for information.
Forget the high revving screaming and great NA soundtrack.
They're doing this for political reasons (and legislation passed) for the farce known as global warming. Car manufacturers are at the mercy of laws being imposed upon them in the countries they sell in. USA, Germany, China, all the same stuff.. In reality, these turbo engines do nothing to reduce emissions unless you drive like a grandma and never surpass 30mph. It's just "feel good" politics.
They did the turbo "downgrade" on the Cayenne and Panamera already. Probably good to look there for information.
Forget the high revving screaming and great NA soundtrack.
They're doing this for political reasons (and legislation passed) for the farce known as global warming. Car manufacturers are at the mercy of laws being imposed upon them in the countries they sell in. USA, Germany, China, all the same stuff.. In reality, these turbo engines do nothing to reduce emissions unless you drive like a grandma and never surpass 30mph. It's just "feel good" politics.
07-13-2015, 04:46 PM
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Exactly. Just like 488 gtb. Turbo charged have it's benefit. But the sound and response with NA are missing. That is why I am getting an rs after 997 turbo and Gtr. I really miss the feel of my 545i. Rear wheel drive and NA. It's best to have both. I believe that the 991.2 will be good and faster. Porsche will make them good and people will like turbo charged 911s.
They should talk to McLaren for help. The 650S sounds amazing.
07-13-2015, 04:57 PM
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