Timing of Engine Swaps - Possible New Info
#61
Three Wheelin'
At 8:35 into this video -
Last edited by sunnyr; 04-05-2014 at 07:44 PM.
#62
Race Director
Are you sure about the cars going through the assembly line again? Cause if you watch the Nat Geo program on how Porsche factory, the way it is done, the engine, the transmission, the suspension, axles, brakes - the rolling chassis is assembled together first and then "married" to the body. So if they are going to do the same with build cars, it probably means first taking the rolling chassis apart from the body first. Probably the right way to do it though?
At 8:35 into this video -
At 8:35 into this video -
If they had previously pulled partially completed bodies off the line and stored them for later reintroduction at the "marriage station" to be mated to drivetrains with the new engines, maybe that would work, but it still seems cumbersome and would likely slow the entire production line which is otherwise very precisely timed.
#64
Rennlist Member
And no I am not sure but indications I have seem to make it plausible at least.
I was told by an after sales person from my Porsche centre and they had a special "training" about the "GT3 recall" subject last Tuesday at Porsche AG.
I know him since quite a few years and don't think he is spreading wrong information. So I expect he knows what he is talking about but .....
At the end of the day it will not make a difference for us if they change the motor in a "traditional" way or if the put the cars back on the line. my guess is that the engine prodcuction is the botleneck anyhow.
Greetz
Peter
#65
Intermediate
Hi guys. As of Thurs 4/3 the cars are still lined up outside at Quonset (RI). I go by every couple of days to check. I'll probably go by later today.
I know for certain that the port facility has the capability of doing the engine swaps right there.
Also speculation, but let's call it informed speculation, but I believe Porsche will put the engines in a container and put them on a ship (seriously doubt air-freight) send them over, then fly a handful of Techs here to install them at the port facility. Just too many for the dealers to cope with.
I know for certain that the port facility has the capability of doing the engine swaps right there.
Also speculation, but let's call it informed speculation, but I believe Porsche will put the engines in a container and put them on a ship (seriously doubt air-freight) send them over, then fly a handful of Techs here to install them at the port facility. Just too many for the dealers to cope with.
#66
I was at my dealer on Friday to change tires. They have a black GT3 in their show room (not sold so far) and I asked what is now happening with the car.
He said: "They are collecting all German cars as they were delivered, they will go back to Zuffenhausen on the regular assembly line. They will get a "divorce" and afterwards a regular "marriage" between chassis and new engine".
Cheers
He said: "They are collecting all German cars as they were delivered, they will go back to Zuffenhausen on the regular assembly line. They will get a "divorce" and afterwards a regular "marriage" between chassis and new engine".
Cheers
#67
Rennlist Member
I was at my dealer on Friday to change tires. They have a black GT3 in their show room (not sold so far) and I asked what is now happening with the car.
He said: "They are collecting all German cars as they were delivered, they will go back to Zuffenhausen on the regular assembly line. They will get a "divorce" and afterwards a regular "marriage" between chassis and new engine".
Cheers
He said: "They are collecting all German cars as they were delivered, they will go back to Zuffenhausen on the regular assembly line. They will get a "divorce" and afterwards a regular "marriage" between chassis and new engine".
Cheers
peter
#68
I was at my dealer on Friday to change tires. They have a black GT3 in their show room (not sold so far) and I asked what is now happening with the car.
He said: "They are collecting all German cars as they were delivered, they will go back to Zuffenhausen on the regular assembly line. They will get a "divorce" and afterwards a regular "marriage" between chassis and new engine".
Cheers
He said: "They are collecting all German cars as they were delivered, they will go back to Zuffenhausen on the regular assembly line. They will get a "divorce" and afterwards a regular "marriage" between chassis and new engine".
Cheers
#69
1) There is no place in the production line to get a 'divorce'. That is not a regular procedure in the production process!
2) It would be awfully disruptive to add a 'fully clothed' 991 to the line just to take advantage of the 'marriage' ceremony in the production line.
3) It's discriminatory. It create two classes of '14 gt3's. Those few who got the special Dispensation from Pope Matthias Müller, got their annulment in Germany and were remarried in Zuffenhausen wearing 'bridal virgin white' by highly trained Porsche officiants. And then, there are the rest of the gt3's in remote areas of Europe or shipped overseas to their less fortunate ROW clients! These sad 'maidens' are subject to back-alley abortions in some dingy port or scruffy dealership, get knocked-up without fan-fare by a recent grad of a DeVry Technical Institute, and are unceremoniously dumped back at their husband's garages to be received in quiet shame! This is a modern version of the old European 'Droit du Seigneur' and I don't think you gentlemen will put up with it!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
#70
Rennlist Member
I don't believe it. But first allow me to continue with the 'allegorical illusions' so in vogue today in the Teutonic automotive manufacturing process. Here is why this rumor doesn't make sense to me:
1) There is no place in the production line to get a 'divorce'. That is not a regular procedure in the production process!
2) It would be awfully disruptive to add a 'fully clothed' 991 to the line just to take advantage of the 'marriage' ceremony in the production line.
3) It's discriminatory. It create two classes of '14 gt3's. Those few who got the special Dispensation from Pope Matthias Müller, got their annulment in Germany and were remarried in Zuffenhausen wearing 'bridal virgin white' by highly trained Porsche officiants. And then, there are the rest of the gt3's in remote areas of Europe or shipped overseas to their less fortunate ROW clients! These sad 'maidens' are subject to back-alley abortions in some dingy port or scruffy dealership, get knocked-up without fan-fare by a recent grad of a DeVry Technical Institute, and are unceremoniously dumped back at their husband's garages to be received in quiet shame! This is a modern version of the old European 'Droit du Seigneur' and I don't think you gentlemen will put up with it!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
1) There is no place in the production line to get a 'divorce'. That is not a regular procedure in the production process!
2) It would be awfully disruptive to add a 'fully clothed' 991 to the line just to take advantage of the 'marriage' ceremony in the production line.
3) It's discriminatory. It create two classes of '14 gt3's. Those few who got the special Dispensation from Pope Matthias Müller, got their annulment in Germany and were remarried in Zuffenhausen wearing 'bridal virgin white' by highly trained Porsche officiants. And then, there are the rest of the gt3's in remote areas of Europe or shipped overseas to their less fortunate ROW clients! These sad 'maidens' are subject to back-alley abortions in some dingy port or scruffy dealership, get knocked-up without fan-fare by a recent grad of a DeVry Technical Institute, and are unceremoniously dumped back at their husband's garages to be received in quiet shame! This is a modern version of the old European 'Droit du Seigneur' and I don't think you gentlemen will put up with it!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
However, aside from logistics there is the matter of cost to consider. If Porsche believes it would be more cost effective rerouting them through the assembly line that is what they will do. As far as the ROW, all Porsche needs to say is proximity and time is the reason only German cars are receiving this treatment.
#71
How about this hypothetical scenario: Porsche offers to replace all engines in Germany at no cost of course. The cars would ship by boat, get the engines placed, then shipped back. Estimated time to do this would be 2-3 months. Porsche would also offer a dealer swap, where the engine would ship by air and get installed locally. Total time estimated to do this would be about one week.
I would personally chose local work but not sure how would it further devalue my car, if at all, compared to the German install.
I would personally chose local work but not sure how would it further devalue my car, if at all, compared to the German install.
#72
alpine-al,
I'm in Southern Germany (about 30km from Stuttgart).
Eduardo,
I know this dealership since the mid-90s, they talked to me an aweful lot what is going on there. Never lied to me. So I think if this is not true, they don't know better.
Personally, I think they are doing the German (maybe close European cars too) in the factory because it is cheaper / faster to do it in house.
Maybe they arrange a "pre-step" for the assembly line to push the "divorced" cars into the line at the correct place. Divorce may be done before or something?
It would just take too long to get "all" cars (from place like New Zealand...) back to Stutttgart, so I think they are using this version.
I think there will not be a "two-class" 991 GT3. It does not really matter if the engine was replaced "at home" or in the factory. All engines seem to go into "hot testing" so they should all be fine!
I'm in Southern Germany (about 30km from Stuttgart).
Eduardo,
I know this dealership since the mid-90s, they talked to me an aweful lot what is going on there. Never lied to me. So I think if this is not true, they don't know better.
Personally, I think they are doing the German (maybe close European cars too) in the factory because it is cheaper / faster to do it in house.
Maybe they arrange a "pre-step" for the assembly line to push the "divorced" cars into the line at the correct place. Divorce may be done before or something?
It would just take too long to get "all" cars (from place like New Zealand...) back to Stutttgart, so I think they are using this version.
I think there will not be a "two-class" 991 GT3. It does not really matter if the engine was replaced "at home" or in the factory. All engines seem to go into "hot testing" so they should all be fine!
#73
Race Director
I don't believe it. But first allow me to continue with the 'allegorical illusions' so in vogue today in the Teutonic automotive manufacturing process. Here is why this rumor doesn't make sense to me:
1) There is no place in the production line to get a 'divorce'. That is not a regular procedure in the production process!
2) It would be awfully disruptive to add a 'fully clothed' 991 to the line just to take advantage of the 'marriage' ceremony in the production line.
3) It's discriminatory. It create two classes of '14 gt3's. Those few who got the special Dispensation from Pope Matthias Müller, got their annulment in Germany and were remarried in Zuffenhausen wearing 'bridal virgin white' by highly trained Porsche officiants. And then, there are the rest of the gt3's in remote areas of Europe or shipped overseas to their less fortunate ROW clients! These sad 'maidens' are subject to back-alley abortions in some dingy port or scruffy dealership, get knocked-up without fan-fare by a recent grad of a DeVry Technical Institute, and are unceremoniously dumped back at their husband's garages to be received in quiet shame! This is a modern version of the old European 'Droit du Seigneur' and I don't think you gentlemen will put up with it!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
1) There is no place in the production line to get a 'divorce'. That is not a regular procedure in the production process!
2) It would be awfully disruptive to add a 'fully clothed' 991 to the line just to take advantage of the 'marriage' ceremony in the production line.
3) It's discriminatory. It create two classes of '14 gt3's. Those few who got the special Dispensation from Pope Matthias Müller, got their annulment in Germany and were remarried in Zuffenhausen wearing 'bridal virgin white' by highly trained Porsche officiants. And then, there are the rest of the gt3's in remote areas of Europe or shipped overseas to their less fortunate ROW clients! These sad 'maidens' are subject to back-alley abortions in some dingy port or scruffy dealership, get knocked-up without fan-fare by a recent grad of a DeVry Technical Institute, and are unceremoniously dumped back at their husband's garages to be received in quiet shame! This is a modern version of the old European 'Droit du Seigneur' and I don't think you gentlemen will put up with it!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
You do have a way with words.
However, aside from logistics there is the matter of cost to consider. If Porsche believes it would be more cost effective rerouting them through the assembly line that is what they will do. As far as the ROW, all Porsche needs to say is proximity and time is the reason only German cars are receiving this treatment.
However, aside from logistics there is the matter of cost to consider. If Porsche believes it would be more cost effective rerouting them through the assembly line that is what they will do. As far as the ROW, all Porsche needs to say is proximity and time is the reason only German cars are receiving this treatment.
Last edited by Mike in CA; 04-06-2014 at 06:04 PM. Reason: typo
#74
Burning Brakes
@mike
How does it work for cars such as mine which were produced in March, but without any engine? Is everything there such as wheels, transmission and suspension? How will the engine later be added?
My GT3 started production March 17 and was halted March 20. I have been told the rest will not be completed until August 29. Wonder where it is stored.
#75
Drifting
How about this hypothetical scenario: Porsche offers to replace all engines in Germany at no cost of course. The cars would ship by boat, get the engines placed, then shipped back. Estimated time to do this would be 2-3 months. Porsche would also offer a dealer swap, where the engine would ship by air and get installed locally. Total time estimated to do this would be about one week.
I would personally chose local work but not sure how would it further devalue my car, if at all, compared to the German install.
I would personally chose local work but not sure how would it further devalue my car, if at all, compared to the German install.