Consolidated 991RS thread
02-14-2014, 07:03 PM
#166
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So why should it be different with RWS?
02-14-2014, 07:27 PM
#167
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I agree - sounds like a BS excuse. I keep coming back to the thought that RWS can't cope with the cornering stress of wide sticky slicks (sticking more than usual with aero downforce and very wide track).
02-14-2014, 07:33 PM
#168
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This issue of homologation and RWS keeps being repeated and I'm hoping someone can explain to me why it's a problem. The new RS will have ABS, stability management (ESC), TC, and active suspension (PASM), just like the previous RS, and none of them are race legal. Yet they weren't homologation issues for the previous version, and no one seems concerned about them on the new version because those items will simply be left off the race cars.
So why should it be different with RWS?
So why should it be different with RWS?
Not to mention that huge actuators and a massive battery removed would remove considerably weight cheaply... unlike CF and composites....
02-14-2014, 08:55 PM
#169
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Agreed, whilst they can't say it, it must be more a reliability issue considering the RS is supposedly being made more track focused since the GT3 was made less intense to appeal to a greater general market.
Not to mention that huge actuators and a massive battery removed would remove considerably weight cheaply... unlike CF and composites....
Not to mention that huge actuators and a massive battery removed would remove considerably weight cheaply... unlike CF and composites....
MT instead of PDK-S, no RWS....it's going to be difficult to justify a $50K price delta for a car that likely won't be any quicker than a GT3 absent those features. Just sayin"....
02-14-2014, 10:45 PM
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Shhhh, they are monitoring these pages to see how much they can stick it to us.
Gold old fashioned 6 speed top speed 175, clears up the track intent.
Think positive Nd visualize.
[QUOTE=gskudlarick;11134436]Y. careful what you wish for.. Ha Ha.. Happy shifting..
Ring times are anecdotal for me but.. :
Ring of 991 GT3 at 7:25, while 4.0 at 7:27. If they don't up the HP to much, wonder if the Ultimate 911 in PDK, will best the Ultimate Ultimate 911 in stick.. - Suspect they will have to do both options if they go stick. I
I haven't been over 6, 6,500 maybe in break in at 1k miles, and the shifts are quick.. Will finally try the intoxicating 9k when the snow clears, but Dang. .
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_997_gt3_rs_40.html
.. and I have no idea the accuracy.[/QUOTE
Slower maybe unless you are pro level driver, but if I want the fSt ring time car manual, there's the corvette. All about track fun and reliability..
+1
It may, it must. The cayman GT won't arrive for a while..
Why not? Tire for tire a set up TTS with alphabet options is prolly faster than. Gt3 already, GTR like. No one wants me for track either...
LOL
Yes!!
Probably no more difficult than solving the test of the initial production run software hardware and BBQ issues..
BINGO!
Well, look how much 4 year old 6 speed 997GT3 and RS are going for.
I'd say you're wrong.
For those of you who would be inclined to have an RS with a manual (I would love one), would you be disappointed if it was only a 6spd? I would, but I might prefer it to the PDK-based 7spd manual in the Carrera (shift quality is often maligned). Maybe a close ratio 6spd G50-based box with a limited top speed would be a nice choice? I would hate to trade in-gear performance for the privilege to shift and losing the 7th gear would be a real sacrifice, unless top speed was close to what the PDK box achieves in 6th gear.
[QUOTE=gskudlarick;11134436]Y. careful what you wish for.. Ha Ha.. Happy shifting..
Ring times are anecdotal for me but.. :
Ring of 991 GT3 at 7:25, while 4.0 at 7:27. If they don't up the HP to much, wonder if the Ultimate 911 in PDK, will best the Ultimate Ultimate 911 in stick.. - Suspect they will have to do both options if they go stick. I
I haven't been over 6, 6,500 maybe in break in at 1k miles, and the shifts are quick.. Will finally try the intoxicating 9k when the snow clears, but Dang. .
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/porsche_997_gt3_rs_40.html
.. and I have no idea the accuracy.[/QUOTE
Slower maybe unless you are pro level driver, but if I want the fSt ring time car manual, there's the corvette. All about track fun and reliability..
+1
Exactly. Even if they developed a new MT for the RS and then offered it on the GT3 it would still make their original arguments look hypocritical. At the same time they would p*ss off a lot of early buyers of the GT3 who are already disappointed by the seat issue and, possibly, by some of the little PITA quality problems. Not to mention all the people who passed on the original round of allocations because there was no MT, although I suppose some of those guys would be overjoyed by Porsche's return to righteousness...
Offering a MT is probably not as (relatively) simple as it sounds. Wouldn't they have to nix the eDiff which is intimately tied into the PDK? And even the RWS might be affected. Effectively they would have to offer the MT with an LSD and then redevelop all the control software....
-Christian
-Christian
Agreed, whilst they can't say it, it must be more a reliability issue considering the RS is supposedly being made more track focused since the GT3 was made less intense to appeal to a greater general market.
Not to mention that huge actuators and a massive battery removed would remove considerably weight cheaply... unlike CF and composites....
Not to mention that huge actuators and a massive battery removed would remove considerably weight cheaply... unlike CF and composites....
Grant...Chris....you're both making the assumption that the homologation thing is an excuse for RWS not being suitable for the RS. The other possibility to consider is that the rumor about the RS not having RWS is bull in the first place. My guess is it will have it.
MT instead of PDK-S, no RWS....it's going to be difficult to justify a $50K price delta for a car that likely won't be any quicker than a GT3 absent those features. Just sayin"....
MT instead of PDK-S, no RWS....it's going to be difficult to justify a $50K price delta for a car that likely won't be any quicker than a GT3 absent those features. Just sayin"....
I'd say you're wrong.
02-15-2014, 08:28 AM
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Offering a MT is probably not as (relatively) simple as it sounds. Wouldn't they have to nix the eDiff which is intimately tied into the PDK? And even the RWS might be affected. Effectively they would have to offer the MT with an LSD and then redevelop all the control software....
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I call bullocks on the whole argument that Porsche can't make a manual work on the GT3 with the electronics in place.
02-15-2014, 11:47 AM
#178
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02-15-2014, 01:39 PM
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Grant...Chris....you're both making the assumption that the homologation thing is an excuse for RWS not being suitable for the RS. The other possibility to consider is that the rumor about the RS not having RWS is bull in the first place. My guess is it will have it.
MT instead of PDK-S, no RWS....it's going to be difficult to justify a $50K price delta for a car that likely won't be any quicker than a GT3 absent those features. Just sayin"....
MT instead of PDK-S, no RWS....it's going to be difficult to justify a $50K price delta for a car that likely won't be any quicker than a GT3 absent those features. Just sayin"....
02-15-2014, 01:44 PM
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