My order is in
09-04-2013, 10:43 PM
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you guys are going to have a blast in this new GT3. Im told wapping through the paddles is entertaining.
car goes like a raped ape!
Would love a test ride in this car more so then a 4.0L just cause of the new charactisitics
car goes like a raped ape!
Would love a test ride in this car more so then a 4.0L just cause of the new charactisitics
09-05-2013, 12:04 AM
#17
Race Director
Mike, I am still agonizing over whether to get the PCCB's (I believe I still have a couple of days). Rationally, I say for everyday use the difference between the two brakes are marginal. Porsche has always had terrific steel brakes. Yet, those in the "know" swear by them. I concluded for my needs, steel brakes are more than satisfactory. Then again, I may change my mind tomorrow.
Be careful with PCCB marketing. I wouldn't listen to Hurley Haywood. Him and his buddies at the Porsche sport driving school told my friend that they pound on PCCB all day long and never have to change rotors because they last forever. Fast forward 3 years later after my friend buys a PCCB equipped car, tracks it for a few days, already has worn rotors, and THEN gets a letter from Porsche warning him that PCCB will wear with track use. True story.
I agree Nick, that the steel brakes would be more than satisfactory, and I'm sure, Joe, that your points about marketing claims and wear are valid. The input I was looking for in talking with various people and reading reviews is whether I'd be able to tell a difference with PCCB's, and given my intended use for the car, would I be buying a huge headache. The consensus from those I talked to was yes on the difference and as for the headache, only if I was unlucky or decide to track much more heavily than I plan. The announced availability of interchangeable steel rotors from Porsche in the proper sizes helped alleviate that last concern.
The "worth it" question is somewhat irrelevant to me. It's hard to objectively justify spending $9K (about an extra 7%) to replace perfectly good brakes. OTOH, others spend an extra 7% on interior leather bits, stitching, LED lights, special colors, etc. and that's not objectively justifiable either. But it's what they want on a special car, and I guess that's part of my reason for getting PCCB's. That and the fact that I'd love to get back the 30lbs I'm adding with the adaptive sport seats. And no brake dust!
09-05-2013, 12:18 AM
#18
Burning Brakes
What a great surprise... Dealer called today with an opportunity to move up to a build with an estimated Jan 10,2014 delivery date and I just came back from finalizing the order.
I was originally scheduled for a 2014 4th Qtr build, now I'll be set for spring next year.
I was originally scheduled for a 2014 4th Qtr build, now I'll be set for spring next year.
Come visit us in Florida and you can exercise your new toy at Sebring without
waiting for Spring.
09-05-2013, 01:07 AM
#19
Nordschleife Master
I don't mean to turn Dave's order thread into a PCCB discussion, but at least we're not arguing about MT versus PDK!
I agree Nick, that the steel brakes would be more than satisfactory, and I'm sure, Joe, that your points about marketing claims and wear are valid. The input I was looking for in talking with various people and reading reviews is whether I'd be able to tell a difference with PCCB's, and given my intended use for the car, would I be buying a huge headache. The consensus from those I talked to was yes on the difference and as for the headache, only if I was unlucky or decide to track much more heavily than I plan. The announced availability of interchangeable steel rotors from Porsche in the proper sizes helped alleviate that last concern.
The "worth it" question is somewhat irrelevant to me. It's hard to objectively justify spending $9K (about an extra 7%) to replace perfectly good brakes. OTOH, others spend an extra 7% on interior leather bits, stitching, LED lights, special colors, etc. and that's not objectively justifiable either. But it's what they want on a special car, and I guess that's part of my reason for getting PCCB's. That and the fact that I'd love to get back the 30lbs I'm adding with the adaptive sport seats. And no brake dust!
I agree Nick, that the steel brakes would be more than satisfactory, and I'm sure, Joe, that your points about marketing claims and wear are valid. The input I was looking for in talking with various people and reading reviews is whether I'd be able to tell a difference with PCCB's, and given my intended use for the car, would I be buying a huge headache. The consensus from those I talked to was yes on the difference and as for the headache, only if I was unlucky or decide to track much more heavily than I plan. The announced availability of interchangeable steel rotors from Porsche in the proper sizes helped alleviate that last concern.
The "worth it" question is somewhat irrelevant to me. It's hard to objectively justify spending $9K (about an extra 7%) to replace perfectly good brakes. OTOH, others spend an extra 7% on interior leather bits, stitching, LED lights, special colors, etc. and that's not objectively justifiable either. But it's what they want on a special car, and I guess that's part of my reason for getting PCCB's. That and the fact that I'd love to get back the 30lbs I'm adding with the adaptive sport seats. And no brake dust!
1) lighter - I replaced my PCCB with iron and felt NO difference in the car at all. Instead my lap times dropped because I could run track compound pads. Pros can probably tell the difference, but since you're an amateur like me, it's highly unlikely we will be able to tell the difference.
2) fade resistant - Porsche makes sure their iron brakes are fade resistant as well. After switching to iron, my brakes have never faded or overheated. Not even a hint.
In my opinion, the reasons to get PCCB:
1) It looks cooler because of the size of the calipers/rotors
2) Less brake dust (you still get dust, just not as much)
09-05-2013, 07:54 AM
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Mike, I'm not trying to talk you out of PCCB, but I would like to let you know my experience with it. Until replacement costs are reasonable, I will never get PCCB. It's a common misconception that PCCB will stop better. It is lighter and fade resistant. That's it. Here's my take on each advantage:
1) lighter - I replaced my PCCB with iron and felt NO difference in the car at all. Instead my lap times dropped because I could run track compound pads. Pros can probably tell the difference, but since you're an amateur like me, it's highly unlikely we will be able to tell the difference.
2) fade resistant - Porsche makes sure their iron brakes are fade resistant as well. After switching to iron, my brakes have never faded or overheated. Not even a hint.
In my opinion, the reasons to get PCCB:
1) It looks cooler because of the size of the calipers/rotors
2) Less brake dust (you still get dust, just not as much)
1) lighter - I replaced my PCCB with iron and felt NO difference in the car at all. Instead my lap times dropped because I could run track compound pads. Pros can probably tell the difference, but since you're an amateur like me, it's highly unlikely we will be able to tell the difference.
2) fade resistant - Porsche makes sure their iron brakes are fade resistant as well. After switching to iron, my brakes have never faded or overheated. Not even a hint.
In my opinion, the reasons to get PCCB:
1) It looks cooler because of the size of the calipers/rotors
2) Less brake dust (you still get dust, just not as much)
09-05-2013, 08:04 AM
#22
And no brake dust!
My understanding is that the big problem with brake wear for both steel and ceramic brakes is running with PASM on - while on the track. Wears out the rears very quickly - ceramic or steel. I don't have the skill or courage to run with PASM off while on the track. Replacement cost difference between steel and ceramic is huge.
Last edited by brake dust; 09-05-2013 at 08:20 AM.
09-05-2013, 11:12 AM
#23
Nordschleife Master
I object to that comment :-)
My understanding is that the big problem with brake wear for both steel and ceramic brakes is running with PASM on - while on the track. Wears out the rears very quickly - ceramic or steel. I don't have the skill or courage to run with PASM off while on the track. Replacement cost difference between steel and ceramic is huge.
My understanding is that the big problem with brake wear for both steel and ceramic brakes is running with PASM on - while on the track. Wears out the rears very quickly - ceramic or steel. I don't have the skill or courage to run with PASM off while on the track. Replacement cost difference between steel and ceramic is huge.
09-05-2013, 11:19 AM
#24
Nordschleife Master
I got the same call last week to accelerate my order and build.
09-05-2013, 12:03 PM
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Mike, I'm not trying to talk you out of PCCB, but I would like to let you know my experience with it. Until replacement costs are reasonable, I will never get PCCB. It's a common misconception that PCCB will stop better. It is lighter and fade resistant. That's it. Here's my take on each advantage:
1) lighter - I replaced my PCCB with iron and felt NO difference in the car at all. Instead my lap times dropped because I could run track compound pads. Pros can probably tell the difference, but since you're an amateur like me, it's highly unlikely we will be able to tell the difference.
2) fade resistant - Porsche makes sure their iron brakes are fade resistant as well. After switching to iron, my brakes have never faded or overheated. Not even a hint.
In my opinion, the reasons to get PCCB:
1) It looks cooler because of the size of the calipers/rotors
2) Less brake dust (you still get dust, just not as much)
1) lighter - I replaced my PCCB with iron and felt NO difference in the car at all. Instead my lap times dropped because I could run track compound pads. Pros can probably tell the difference, but since you're an amateur like me, it's highly unlikely we will be able to tell the difference.
2) fade resistant - Porsche makes sure their iron brakes are fade resistant as well. After switching to iron, my brakes have never faded or overheated. Not even a hint.
In my opinion, the reasons to get PCCB:
1) It looks cooler because of the size of the calipers/rotors
2) Less brake dust (you still get dust, just not as much)
09-05-2013, 12:35 PM
#26
Burning Brakes
Good call Nick. My Porsche Dealer quoted me $20,000 for 4 Ceramic rotors vs under $2,000 for steel.
When tire changing, it is very easy to chip or crack the Ceramics while the Steel Rotors can take any abuse
a ham-handed Tire store throws at you. The most recent reports from track guys are finding the Ceramics
may last longer on the street, but apparently not on the track. Personally, I would not want my Brake costs
on the track to exceed my Tire, Engine and Suspension costs. Best of luck with your new GT3. Mine scheduled for November build. Waiting not easy!
When tire changing, it is very easy to chip or crack the Ceramics while the Steel Rotors can take any abuse
a ham-handed Tire store throws at you. The most recent reports from track guys are finding the Ceramics
may last longer on the street, but apparently not on the track. Personally, I would not want my Brake costs
on the track to exceed my Tire, Engine and Suspension costs. Best of luck with your new GT3. Mine scheduled for November build. Waiting not easy!
09-05-2013, 01:10 PM
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Congrats.. I'm trying to get one for early 2014. Dealer says they will know situation better in Sept.. I just want to give them $. - -Hope this is true..??? - - This will be first Porsche. Seems like guys who bought a spider, or bought like 10 Porsche's in the past are getting better info..
09-05-2013, 03:35 PM
#28
Race Director
SportDesign steering wheel
Includes: - Steering wheel with sporty design
- Paddle shifters for manual gear selection
09-05-2013, 03:42 PM
#29
Race Director
I object to that comment :-)
My understanding is that the big problem with brake wear for both steel and ceramic brakes is running with PASM on - while on the track. Wears out the rears very quickly - ceramic or steel. I don't have the skill or courage to run with PASM off while on the track. Replacement cost difference between steel and ceramic is huge.
My understanding is that the big problem with brake wear for both steel and ceramic brakes is running with PASM on - while on the track. Wears out the rears very quickly - ceramic or steel. I don't have the skill or courage to run with PASM off while on the track. Replacement cost difference between steel and ceramic is huge.
Do you mean PSM, not PASM?
09-05-2013, 03:48 PM
#30
Race Director
Good call Nick. My Porsche Dealer quoted me $20,000 for 4 Ceramic rotors vs under $2,000 for steel.
When tire changing, it is very easy to chip or crack the Ceramics while the Steel Rotors can take any abuse
a ham-handed Tire store throws at you. The most recent reports from track guys are finding the Ceramics
may last longer on the street, but apparently not on the track. Personally, I would not want my Brake costs
on the track to exceed my Tire, Engine and Suspension costs. Best of luck with your new GT3. Mine scheduled for November build. Waiting not easy!
When tire changing, it is very easy to chip or crack the Ceramics while the Steel Rotors can take any abuse
a ham-handed Tire store throws at you. The most recent reports from track guys are finding the Ceramics
may last longer on the street, but apparently not on the track. Personally, I would not want my Brake costs
on the track to exceed my Tire, Engine and Suspension costs. Best of luck with your new GT3. Mine scheduled for November build. Waiting not easy!