OT. New m3/m4
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I just got one of the last E92 M3's (6-speed with Comp Package) as a daily driver. Did 22 laps at the Ring and car was a blast. That said my 996 GT3 is my dedicated Track Car. I don't ever plan on taking the M3 to the track. It is overengineered for the street and too fat and under braked for the race track.
I think the M4 with the Turbo 6 will make for a lousy track car based on past experience with other BMW turbo motors under heavy use. Glad I got the V8 before they stopped making it.
Chet
I think the M4 with the Turbo 6 will make for a lousy track car based on past experience with other BMW turbo motors under heavy use. Glad I got the V8 before they stopped making it.
Chet
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I wish they had used the beautiful v8 from the m3 in at least one other car, so I could gallop freely unsaddled with all that weight. I had a z4m coupe with the old s54 engine after selling my e46 m3... Night and day.
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I have a 1M and really enjoy it as a street car. Feels much lighter than it is, very tossable, loves to go sideways. I agree that the motor is too fragile for serious track work without attention/ upgrades, however. I think there is a good chance that the motor in the new M4 will be tougher, however- this will be the first recent turbo motor designed by BMW M, and I have a lot of respect for those guys. I think they can pull off a track worthy turbo if they want to...
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I have a 1M and really enjoy it as a street car. Feels much lighter than it is, very tossable, loves to go sideways. I agree that the motor is too fragile for serious track work without attention/ upgrades, however. I think there is a good chance that the motor in the new M4 will be tougher, however- this will be the first recent turbo motor designed by BMW M, and I have a lot of respect for those guys. I think they can pull off a track worthy turbo if they want to...
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The new Z4 (35is) weighs nearly as much as a M3 coupe though, ~3600lbs vs the M3's 3700lbs. I guess they use the same lead weights.
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Looks like the new M3/M4 will be available around the middle of this year. I know it's not in the same 'supercar' category as the GT3, but I'm seeing it as a viable alternative:
- Only about 150 lbs more than the GT3
- 0-60 in about 3.9 s is plenty fast
- 406 ft-lb with broad torque band, vs 324 ft-lb at 6250 rpm for the GT3
- Upgraded cooling, etc. gives me hope that it'll be trackworthy
- Usable rear seat and trunk
- 6-sp manual option (and its double-clutch is likely to be very good)
- Reasonably low key, especially in a 'neutral' color
- Practical road car, should be fine in winter with winter tires
- Base sticker price of about $63K, about half the GT3 out the door
- Only about 150 lbs more than the GT3
- 0-60 in about 3.9 s is plenty fast
- 406 ft-lb with broad torque band, vs 324 ft-lb at 6250 rpm for the GT3
- Upgraded cooling, etc. gives me hope that it'll be trackworthy
- Usable rear seat and trunk
- 6-sp manual option (and its double-clutch is likely to be very good)
- Reasonably low key, especially in a 'neutral' color
- Practical road car, should be fine in winter with winter tires
- Base sticker price of about $63K, about half the GT3 out the door
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Having trouble believing 3300 lbs.
Front fascia below headlights already in desperate need of a re-design.
Using history as a guide, it will be a great street car providing great sounds and comfort, but will disappoint on track other than one fast hot lap. Will need a lot of mods to get it to trackworthy and those mods can add up quickly and destroy resale value.
Front fascia below headlights already in desperate need of a re-design.
Using history as a guide, it will be a great street car providing great sounds and comfort, but will disappoint on track other than one fast hot lap. Will need a lot of mods to get it to trackworthy and those mods can add up quickly and destroy resale value.
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Sounds really promising!