New 991 GT3 / Exclusive pics and information. The real deal & at last some good news!
02-18-2013, 05:59 PM
#106
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It is my view, shared by many, that the reason Porsche put the centerlocks on the .2 GT3's and other cars was purely cosmetic, for marketing reasons. There can be no other possible explanation, considering what an utter piece of **** clusterphuque the centerlocks are. Pure 100% affectation. It was purely driven why who Porsche believed its customers were.
Anyway, all this assumes that the CL's haven't been improved for the new car or that a 5 bolt option won't be available, otherwise all this CL concern is premature, just as the "no dry sump motorsport engine" concern was apparently premature and ultimately irrelevant. And if the CL issue is resolved, the naysayers will focus on something else (red reflectors next to the exhaust pipes, or a stick in the center console?). The big picture is being missed. It's silly.
02-18-2013, 06:09 PM
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Fine. I have no argument with the real issues around using centerlocks, and what Porsche decides to do for marketing purposes or thinks about their customer's desires is their own business. But I assume not all the people who bought the 997.2 GT cars with CL's did so to impress the Cars & Coffee crowd, and the same will be true of the 991 GT3. It's just something that was part of the package; it wasn't necessarily a selling point, whether Porsche thought it would be or not.
Anyway, all this assumes that the CL's haven't been improved for the new car or that a 5 bolt option won't be available, otherwise all this CL concern is premature, just as the "no dry sump motorsport engine" concern was apparently premature and ultimately irrelevant. And if the CL issue is resolved, the naysayers will focus on something else (red reflectors next to the exhaust pipes, or a stick in the center console?). The big picture is being missed. It's silly.
Anyway, all this assumes that the CL's haven't been improved for the new car or that a 5 bolt option won't be available, otherwise all this CL concern is premature, just as the "no dry sump motorsport engine" concern was apparently premature and ultimately irrelevant. And if the CL issue is resolved, the naysayers will focus on something else (red reflectors next to the exhaust pipes, or a stick in the center console?). The big picture is being missed. It's silly.
The only real solution is if they offer 5 lug as an option, when I am going to place my order, it will include a conversion to 5 lug as part of the deal
Just my 0.02
02-18-2013, 06:12 PM
#108
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I grant you, MT looks dead for now. But I thought one of the potential complaints about the 991 GT3's engine was that it wouldn't be related to motorsport. Who do you know in professional GT racing using MT's?
02-18-2013, 06:16 PM
#109
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Assuming the 991 GT3 uses the same size discs as the 991 Cup (380mm front/rear), 18" wheels should still be do-able. 991 Cup runs 18" BBS CL's.....
02-18-2013, 06:17 PM
#110
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Fact, whilst motorsport derived the new drive train is unproven and until it has run a few 24 hour events and finished the race, I'll let others sort out its issues...
Three years ago the centrelocks were a motorsport derived feature that were supposed to be revolutionary in some respect... 3 years on, we are told our wheels will fall off unless we spend thousands refreshing them every 4200 miles...
I don't feel like replacing/rebuilding an engine or trans every 4200 miles because some Porsche engineer overlooked some minor details! Such is my confidence in Porsche after the way they've handled the introduction of CLs and the subsequent problems...
Centrelocks and no manual, NO thanks!!! Even if t revs to 10000rpm...
Ps. Thanks to those involved in passing this info on! really appreciate it!
Three years ago the centrelocks were a motorsport derived feature that were supposed to be revolutionary in some respect... 3 years on, we are told our wheels will fall off unless we spend thousands refreshing them every 4200 miles...
I don't feel like replacing/rebuilding an engine or trans every 4200 miles because some Porsche engineer overlooked some minor details! Such is my confidence in Porsche after the way they've handled the introduction of CLs and the subsequent problems...
Centrelocks and no manual, NO thanks!!! Even if t revs to 10000rpm...
Ps. Thanks to those involved in passing this info on! really appreciate it!
02-18-2013, 06:22 PM
#111
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But I assume not all the people who bought the 997.2 GT cars with CL's did so to impress the Cars & Coffee crowd, and the same will be true of the 991 GT3. It's just something that was part of the package; it wasn't necessarily a selling point, whether Porsche thought it would be or not.
Anyway, all this assumes that the CL's haven't been improved for the new car or that a 5 bolt option won't be available, otherwise all this CL concern is premature, just as the "no dry sump motorsport engine" concern was apparently premature and ultimately irrelevant. And if the CL issue is resolved, the naysayers will focus on something else (red reflectors next to the exhaust pipes, or a stick in the center console?). The big picture is being missed. It's silly.
Anyway, all this assumes that the CL's haven't been improved for the new car or that a 5 bolt option won't be available, otherwise all this CL concern is premature, just as the "no dry sump motorsport engine" concern was apparently premature and ultimately irrelevant. And if the CL issue is resolved, the naysayers will focus on something else (red reflectors next to the exhaust pipes, or a stick in the center console?). The big picture is being missed. It's silly.
As for a 5 lug option? No way. There is no money in it for Porsche to have to fully engineer & then do DOT and TUV testing for 2 different hubs.
18's won't fit with those brakes IMO, and will also be too small to avoid putting the 300 separate PSM/PASM/SPASM computers into apoplectic fits.
02-18-2013, 06:23 PM
#112
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Three years ago the centrelocks were a motorsport derived feature that were supposed to be revolutionary in some respect... 3 years on, we are told our wheels will fall off unless we spend thousands refreshing them every 4200 miles...
I don't feel like replacing/rebuilding an engine or trans every 4200 miles because some Porsche engineer overlooked some minor details! Such is my confidence in Porsche after the way they've handled the introduction of CLs and the subsequent problems...
I don't feel like replacing/rebuilding an engine or trans every 4200 miles because some Porsche engineer overlooked some minor details! Such is my confidence in Porsche after the way they've handled the introduction of CLs and the subsequent problems...
02-18-2013, 06:32 PM
#114
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A new motorsport engine (not a Mezger, not a 9A1 either) is the clear explanation on why there is no manual transmission. A new engine would require development of new transmissions, they chose wisely, as this engine will be use in motorsports and the transmissions in motorsports are not manually moved stir cooking paddles.
It is my view, shared by many, that the reason Porsche put the centerlocks on the .2 GT3's and other cars was purely cosmetic, for marketing reasons. There can be no other possible explanation, considering what an utter piece of **** clusterphuque the centerlocks are. Pure 100% affectation. It was purely driven why who Porsche believed its customers were.
Fine. I have no argument with the real issues around using centerlocks, and what Porsche decides to do for marketing purposes or thinks about their customer's desires is their own business. But I assume not all the people who bought the 997.2 GT cars with CL's did so to impress the Cars & Coffee crowd, and the same will be true of the 991 GT3. It's just something that was part of the package; it wasn't necessarily a selling point, whether Porsche thought it would be or not.
Anyway, all this assumes that the CL's haven't been improved for the new car or that a 5 bolt option won't be available, otherwise all this CL concern is premature, just as the "no dry sump motorsport engine" concern was apparently premature and ultimately irrelevant. And if the CL issue is resolved, the naysayers will focus on something else (red reflectors next to the exhaust pipes, or a stick in the center console?). The big picture is being missed. It's silly.
Anyway, all this assumes that the CL's haven't been improved for the new car or that a 5 bolt option won't be available, otherwise all this CL concern is premature, just as the "no dry sump motorsport engine" concern was apparently premature and ultimately irrelevant. And if the CL issue is resolved, the naysayers will focus on something else (red reflectors next to the exhaust pipes, or a stick in the center console?). The big picture is being missed. It's silly.
02-18-2013, 06:40 PM
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02-18-2013, 06:45 PM
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02-18-2013, 06:47 PM
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The sound file doesn't reveal much. Seems like it was taken at corner entry. You hear some slight revving, gearshifts and tire squealing.
But all the other info and pics are much appreciated. Seems the naysayers are slowly being backed into a corner, just as they were when the Flat-6 was introduced in '64, the wheelbase extended in '69, power-steering and ABS in '89, water-cooled in '99, etc.
But all the other info and pics are much appreciated. Seems the naysayers are slowly being backed into a corner, just as they were when the Flat-6 was introduced in '64, the wheelbase extended in '69, power-steering and ABS in '89, water-cooled in '99, etc.
02-18-2013, 06:50 PM
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Besides, even a short sound clip is better than nothing..
This engine revs like a maniac!
02-18-2013, 06:52 PM
#120
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Nothing for sure until seeing a caliper print, but I would be surprised if we couldn't clear them with an 18, with room to spare. On the computers, usually as long as the ratio, front to rear remains the same, you're ok (who knows with this one though).