Shark

Saw some mentions of both Challenge Stradales and Scuderias in another thread and thought I might get better feedback here than in the Ferrari forum its posted in now.

So I'm looking at the sub $200k area. The cars that tick the most boxes on the Ferrari side are the Scuderia or Challenge Stradale and a GT3 on the Porsche side. Setting aside all the other stuff (value, warranty, perceived reliability, etc), I would like to hear from anyone who has ownership on both sides or significant seat time.

The GT3s that are the best fit for me are the 991.1 GT3 RS and the 991.2 GT3s, both with PDK (I already have a forever manual car and have never owned a paddle shift automatic).

Interested in a comparison of all the driving factors (how power is used, handling, braking, adjustability of suspension, ride quality, etc).

Thanks

shapiroeric

Owned a lot of cars.....my only regret is selling my Scud.....nothing like it.....that said how much are you going to use it?.....weekend drives?...semi daily?....Scud is a brutal ride, raw, loud, stiff....The Porsche is better in all regards, except it's not a Ferrari Scuderia....

n2cars

My brother and I have owned a ton of Ferraris. My brother bought his new Scuderia in 2009. Sold it. Missed it so much he bought it back. His Scuderia will never be sold again. I've owned both the Stradale and Scuderia. My biggest regret is selling both of them. Currently own a Touring. The Touring is a keeper. i've had other GT3 and RSs but never really fell in love with them. My ideal garage would have the Stradale, Scuderia, and Touring or GT3 with a manual.

BusDriver

A perspective on the Ferrari Stradale / Scuderia compared to the Porsche GT3...

The Ferraris are much more softly sprung and have greater suspension travel resulting in a much better ride on the road but way too soft on the track. The Ferraris also have much less tire resulting in lower ultimate grip, but more fun. Steering is a lot lighter and has less feel and the newer ones (Scud but not Stradale) have quicker geared steering than a GT3. The GT3 sounds fantastic, but the Ferraris sound completely insane particularly after the valves are disconnected.

Seating position is much more forward and your feet are pretty close to the front wheel centerline. Steering feels like a go kart as you feel your feet pivoting first when you turn the wheel.

The Stradale gearshift will feel very slow and ancient. The Scuderia gearshift will feel crude and aggressive - a full throttle gear change feels exactly like getting rear-ended!

In summary:
- the GT3 is a better track car, the Ferrari a better road car
- the GT3 is a better dual purpose car, while the Ferrari is best reserved for special occasions

Overall, the Porsche GT3 is a better car
But the Ferraris are much more exciting

Both great in their own ways.

-eztrader-

Had a scud and 458 at the same time as owning GT cars. Over time would continually grab keys to GT3 and RS instead of Fcar. GT3 (manual) at the time was more engaging and fun for road use.

Fcar positives:
On track the Scud was a ton of fun. It wasn't the fastest - but felt amazing, sounded great, and kept me smiling.
When you push it on street - also big smiles.
Felt like a go kart as stated above - was an occasion to drive

Negatives:
Build quality (misc issues, ex: loose door handles) reliability were issues for me - several times I had to turn the Scud off - remove key, and restart to get it to function properly.
Had some trans problems
Get's too much attention - people want to touch car, take pics, ask how much it was...etc..
Will be expensive to fix maintain at some point - especially if it's primarily a track car
Not comfortable to fit in / drive for long time
AC and radio are awful

To summarize - I'm on my 7th or 8th GT car, and only had those 2 F cars. Those are long gone - and GT cars are in the garage.

Drew_W

Owned lots of Ferraris...360 Spider, Scud, 430 Spider, 458, 599 HGTE, etc etc...but the Scud is the only one I really regret selling. If I did not have an 3RS on order, I would most likely be chasing another Scud. Just keep in mind that the Scud or even a CS is older technology, so if you have ever driven a dual clutch pdk car, the older transmission in the F Cars will feel crude. With that being said...at wide open throttle...they feel amazing. Very intoxicating and addicting...something about driving a screaming F Car.

MovingChicane

I'll add these high-level summary bullets:

-I sold my Scuderia last year after many years of ownership
-Felt fragile
-Felt raw (more akin to 996 GT3 but even that might be more solid feeling)
-Gathered plenty of attention - on the freeway, at gas stations, in neighborhood, etc. (most people don't know a 2008 vs. 2018 Ferrari)
-Sounded great (I had a x-pipe on mine)
-Has plenty of power (more than advertised I think) for street use
-Ferrari dealer and service experiences were horrible
-I also rode plenty in a CS and it's like a slower Scud that sits lower to the ground (and feels more like a go-kart)

Have 991.1 GT3 RS now
-Could daily it
-Solid build quality
-Only gets looks (or intentionally ignored looks - LOL!) from Porsche people for the most part

Jrtaylor9

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Jrtaylor9

Sold my CS and sold my Scud. I've sold a lot of cars and typically never want to go back again. I'll own a Scud again some day. Not the fastest but one of the most fun on track and on street I've ever owned.

991gt3 way less emotional and way more of just an efficient tool to get the job done. CS And Scud are better comparisons to 996 and 997 GT's. CS would be an amazing car if not for the transmission. It's just not very useable unless it's got some momentum. It's magic in a narrow band and awful outside of that. Scud has one of widest bands of fun of any car I've ever owned.

PS I'm a Porsche guy thru and thru. 991's are one most capable track oriented cars ever made. Scud just more fun. They are all from different eras. I think the 997 and Scud era is the peak of analogue fun imo.

Shark

Weekend fun car for the street, probably no track use.

uhn2000

Love the Scud passion here, my buddy had a 16M and it was the most amazing thing ever! He regrets selling it everyday.. sucks its not in his garage anymore.

Drew_W

I think we need to start a therapy group for all of us who have loved and lost our Scuds.

Jrtaylor9

^^^I "upgraded" my Scud for a Speciale, which is a car I've lusted after for years. I'll sell the Speciale after I've had my fun with it, but there's a good chance I'll buy back a Scud down the road.

richk

Get the scud...its a hoot to drive in the street! Loved mine and would consider getting it again.

One of my all time fav F cars.

vf430

I put about 12 k miles in my scuderia, car was super reliable more so than the 997.2 Gt3 I had at that time. By far it’s my most favorite car and would love to get one again. Gt3 is fun but Scud is next level in terms of visceral experience (exhaust note , look and feel of the whole car , F1 superfast gearbox). Gt3 is definitely better handling and feels solid on the track otherwise Scud offers better overall ownership and sense of occasion.

To me it’s a very unique combination of many things. 500 Hp mid engine v8 , sub 3 k curb weight , 60 ms single clutch gear box , NA Ferrari engine , 8800 redline , very little sound insulation inside , add the looks and feel to it .. and it’s a Ferrari ! Sort of taking a cayman adding 500 hp v8 and soul of Ferrari 😀