The “Unofficial” GT3RS Production Number Stats
01-15-2019, 03:44 AM
#106
With the production numbers much higher than previously predicted, it will be pretty easy to get any kind of GT car you want, especially the GT3 varieties...................values should stay high until the 992 and then they will decline for great buys on the second hand market as a second or third owner........
Total NA 991 production from 2013-2019 will be very close to 11k.
5,313 - base GT3
3,304 - GT3RS
1,375 - GT2RS
685 - Speedster
323 - 911R
even with ~3.300 991 GT3RS in NA ever built that means there are only about 2,900 in USA.
Break that down to color like the most common which is white and it’s only about ~550 ever made for USA .
If you require Pccb make that ~390 ever built.
if you want the .2 3RS car there are under 200.
Break this down with any other color or option, (much less a perfect car) with low mileage, for a reasonable price, in your area, for sale and you can see how rare these RS cars actually are.
Last edited by Dot23RS; 01-20-2019 at 08:40 PM.
01-15-2019, 06:04 AM
#107
Burning Brakes
Actually, the demand for Porsche GT cars keeps increasing at a rate that exceeds the number of units brought to U.S.
Back in 2003 when I ordered my first GT3, it was not difficult to find an allocation, Porsche only brought 959-961 of them to U.S. and Canada. In 2007, the 997.1 came to the market, it was produced in larger numbers for U.S. and the demand was even higher, at that time the 996 GT3 had already proven its dependability, track performance and resale value. In 2010 with the 997.2, production numbers for U.S. increased even more, and allocations were even more difficult to find. Then 2014 with the 991.1 GTs, even higher numbers and even higher demand (despite cam-lobe-gate). Now on the 991.2, more units, but more demand as well.
There is no other brand of car/model that can tolerate track use without overheating or going limp. I have put a 12C, Huracan, 458 in Limp mode, overheated a Z06, Mustang, Focus RS, and brake fade is pretty common on most street cars, but not the late Porsche GT cars. A GT3 doesn't overheat the brakes, transmission, engine differential in a few laps (heck I overheated an exhaust in a F430 and limp mode), the GT3s run well like no other car model/brand.
GT3s are not produced every year, much less the GT3 RS
2004 GT3 RS
2007-2008 GT3 RS
2010-2011 GT3 RS
2016 GT3 RS
2018-2019 GT3 RS
We won't see a 992 GT3 RS until late 2021, so the only supply of GT3s is going to be the used market for a while. Increasing demand vs. same supply, you know how that goes.
In addition to the traditional Porsche GT buyer (like me upgrading from previous Gen to next Gen), there are the first Porsche GT buyers coming from other Porsches (any other Porsche, including the crossovers and SUVs).
There are also the folks that buy a Viper, Vette, McLaren, Mercedes, Audi for occasional track days and witness Porsche GT cars running well and usually at a faster pace, and after curiosity and research end up as Porsche GT buyers.
There are also the folks that used to buy Ferrari/Lamborghini and flip them later for a little loss or no loss after 2 years of use. That's no longer the case, Ferrari and Lamborghini are producing as many cars as people would buy, so they don't keep their resale value that well anymore (Performante trade-in values are close to $100k below MSRP, and Pista ADMs will vanish faster than GT2RS ADMs). These folks have jumped into Porsche GT cars as well.
As long as Porsche keeps making the GT cars under the same philosophy, they will be highly desirable. For future car collectors, the time is now to get each flavor of a Porsche GT car, these will be the cult cars in another 25 years like the old air cooled cars today.
Back in 2003 when I ordered my first GT3, it was not difficult to find an allocation, Porsche only brought 959-961 of them to U.S. and Canada. In 2007, the 997.1 came to the market, it was produced in larger numbers for U.S. and the demand was even higher, at that time the 996 GT3 had already proven its dependability, track performance and resale value. In 2010 with the 997.2, production numbers for U.S. increased even more, and allocations were even more difficult to find. Then 2014 with the 991.1 GTs, even higher numbers and even higher demand (despite cam-lobe-gate). Now on the 991.2, more units, but more demand as well.
There is no other brand of car/model that can tolerate track use without overheating or going limp. I have put a 12C, Huracan, 458 in Limp mode, overheated a Z06, Mustang, Focus RS, and brake fade is pretty common on most street cars, but not the late Porsche GT cars. A GT3 doesn't overheat the brakes, transmission, engine differential in a few laps (heck I overheated an exhaust in a F430 and limp mode), the GT3s run well like no other car model/brand.
GT3s are not produced every year, much less the GT3 RS
2004 GT3 RS
2007-2008 GT3 RS
2010-2011 GT3 RS
2016 GT3 RS
2018-2019 GT3 RS
We won't see a 992 GT3 RS until late 2021, so the only supply of GT3s is going to be the used market for a while. Increasing demand vs. same supply, you know how that goes.
In addition to the traditional Porsche GT buyer (like me upgrading from previous Gen to next Gen), there are the first Porsche GT buyers coming from other Porsches (any other Porsche, including the crossovers and SUVs).
There are also the folks that buy a Viper, Vette, McLaren, Mercedes, Audi for occasional track days and witness Porsche GT cars running well and usually at a faster pace, and after curiosity and research end up as Porsche GT buyers.
There are also the folks that used to buy Ferrari/Lamborghini and flip them later for a little loss or no loss after 2 years of use. That's no longer the case, Ferrari and Lamborghini are producing as many cars as people would buy, so they don't keep their resale value that well anymore (Performante trade-in values are close to $100k below MSRP, and Pista ADMs will vanish faster than GT2RS ADMs). These folks have jumped into Porsche GT cars as well.
As long as Porsche keeps making the GT cars under the same philosophy, they will be highly desirable. For future car collectors, the time is now to get each flavor of a Porsche GT car, these will be the cult cars in another 25 years like the old air cooled cars today.
01-15-2019, 05:24 PM
#108
Rennlist Member
Most recent estimates of total 991.1 GT3 RS world production is close to 5,000 scary as that may be, but great if you want to buy one, 991.2 GT3 RS production numbers are massively smaller and in Europe at least, and furthermore in Europe you dont want one manufactured with a particle filter post Sept 2018 as it kills the sound
01-19-2019, 12:47 AM
#111
NA should end up with around:
715 NonWP (+1,529 MY16),
690 808WP,
370 909WP.
Current NA 991.1+.2 GT3RS color estimates:
White - 610
Lizard Green - 540
GT Silver - 515
Lava Orange - 425
UltraViolet - 290
Black - 290
Red,Chalk,Yellow,Blue,PTS - 634
Last edited by Dot23RS; 01-20-2019 at 08:37 PM.
01-19-2019, 01:16 PM
#112
01-19-2019, 03:31 PM
#113
Everyone wants a SS Daytona if it's difficult to find. If it's easy to find few want them. The "high demand" is phony. Porsche is diluting their GT brand with many more "special models" to be announced. But they will find out their sale projection overestimates the true market, soon!
01-20-2019, 09:05 PM
#115
01-20-2019, 09:09 PM
#116
these are my current estimates assuming they continue to build through April. I’m guessing you’re still taking the over 2k bet for 3RS but I think 1775 is max. Who knows....
2019 Speedster - 1,948 / 685
2019 GT3RS - 5,000 / 1,775
18/19 GT2RS - 3,900 / 1,375
18/19 GT3 - 9,100 / 3,180
2016 911R - 991 / 323
2016 GT3RS - 4,600 / 1,529
14-16 GT3 - 6,461 / 2,133
991 GT = ~32k WW est. / ~11k NA est
Last edited by Dot23RS; 01-20-2019 at 09:29 PM.
01-20-2019, 09:22 PM
#117
Drifting
Everyone wants a SS Daytona if it's difficult to find. If it's easy to find few want them. The "high demand" is phony. Porsche is diluting their GT brand with many more "special models" to be announced. But they will find out their sale projection overestimates the true market, soon!
01-20-2019, 11:18 PM
#118
Nordschleife Master
Very surprised white out numbers Lizard
01-20-2019, 11:29 PM
#119
I disagree. The Porsche brand worldwide is immense. The wealth in this country is immense. The number of new buyers entering the Porsche GT market from other brands is immense. Finding a home worldwide for 3,000-5,000 GT cars is easy peasy. Their marketing is spot on and they have it all tied into together to their racing success. They are a well oiled machine right now. No pun intended...
01-20-2019, 11:30 PM
#120
Last edited by Dot23RS; 01-21-2019 at 12:08 AM.