GT car / Salesman - Shiraaz Sookralli - Champion Porsche's VP of Marketing
09-19-2018, 10:40 PM
#1472
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With all do respect...
The victims are NOT happy - they have been betrayed and Champion is NOT making any effort to resolve the situation for them. Champion is now ignoring victims and has completely failed to deliver the GT3 cars as purchased by the victims. Simply returning the deposits or offering a 2019 allocation for a different, significantly lesser value vehicle does not make the victims whole or come close to remedying the situation or compensating the victims’ losses. It is surprising that anyone on Rennlist would try to equate a 991.2 with Touring Package and PTS with a stock 992, since the collection values of those two cars are vastly different. As demonstrated in the Rampage case, Champion has been aware that SS was offering cars for sale that did not exist, using Champion’s forms and name to set up fake car sales, stealing deposits, overcharging for cars, and using side companies to hide deposits since at least September 2017, but they did absolutely nothing to restrict SS access to Champion’s sales documents, monitor SS work emails, supervise SS sales activities, or limit SS interactions with customers. They even admit in the current litigation that they knew SS was having financial problems because his wages had been garnished but did nothing to protect customers from his financial schemes. The attorney who is currently representing Champion and to whom all the victims are being directed is the exact same attorney who represented both SS and Champion in the Rampage case. Clearly Champion knew SS was capable of committing this kind of fraud and they provided him all the tools to accomplish this crime, but they did nothing to prevent it or protect their customers. If Champion wants to save its reputation then it needs to stop ignoring the victims and wholly compensate them for their losses.
The victims are NOT happy - they have been betrayed and Champion is NOT making any effort to resolve the situation for them. Champion is now ignoring victims and has completely failed to deliver the GT3 cars as purchased by the victims. Simply returning the deposits or offering a 2019 allocation for a different, significantly lesser value vehicle does not make the victims whole or come close to remedying the situation or compensating the victims’ losses. It is surprising that anyone on Rennlist would try to equate a 991.2 with Touring Package and PTS with a stock 992, since the collection values of those two cars are vastly different. As demonstrated in the Rampage case, Champion has been aware that SS was offering cars for sale that did not exist, using Champion’s forms and name to set up fake car sales, stealing deposits, overcharging for cars, and using side companies to hide deposits since at least September 2017, but they did absolutely nothing to restrict SS access to Champion’s sales documents, monitor SS work emails, supervise SS sales activities, or limit SS interactions with customers. They even admit in the current litigation that they knew SS was having financial problems because his wages had been garnished but did nothing to protect customers from his financial schemes. The attorney who is currently representing Champion and to whom all the victims are being directed is the exact same attorney who represented both SS and Champion in the Rampage case. Clearly Champion knew SS was capable of committing this kind of fraud and they provided him all the tools to accomplish this crime, but they did nothing to prevent it or protect their customers. If Champion wants to save its reputation then it needs to stop ignoring the victims and wholly compensate them for their losses.
You seem to have an anti Champion agenda, not an unbiased observer's take on thus.
09-19-2018, 10:42 PM
#1473
Race Director
Originally Posted by bluehorseshoe
I'm naive but I'm thinking this debacle may be a catalyst to produce more 2019 GT3s. Certainly didn't hurt.
If I'm reading that memo correctly, they're just giving out some PTS slots to current allocations? I'd assume most extra allocations have already been assigned to dealers unless they hand out some bonus ones like they do for some incentive.
Doubt this had anything to do with Champion. This memo went out to some region, but I assume all regions got the same memo. They always pump out more cars at the end of a run.
09-19-2018, 10:43 PM
#1474
Race Car
With all do respect...
The victims are NOT happy - they have been betrayed and Champion is NOT making any effort to resolve the situation for them. Champion is now ignoring victims and has completely failed to deliver the GT3 cars as purchased by the victims. Simply returning the deposits or offering a 2019 allocation for a different, significantly lesser value vehicle does not make the victims whole or come close to remedying the situation or compensating the victims’ losses. It is surprising that anyone on Rennlist would try to equate a 991.2 with Touring Package and PTS with a stock 992, since the collection values of those two cars are vastly different. As demonstrated in the Rampage case, Champion has been aware that SS was offering cars for sale that did not exist, using Champion’s forms and name to set up fake car sales, stealing deposits, overcharging for cars, and using side companies to hide deposits since at least September 2017, but they did absolutely nothing to restrict SS access to Champion’s sales documents, monitor SS work emails, supervise SS sales activities, or limit SS interactions with customers. They even admit in the current litigation that they knew SS was having financial problems because his wages had been garnished but did nothing to protect customers from his financial schemes. The attorney who is currently representing Champion and to whom all the victims are being directed is the exact same attorney who represented both SS and Champion in the Rampage case. Clearly Champion knew SS was capable of committing this kind of fraud and they provided him all the tools to accomplish this crime, but they did nothing to prevent it or protect their customers. If Champion wants to save its reputation then it needs to stop ignoring the victims and wholly compensate them for their losses.
The victims are NOT happy - they have been betrayed and Champion is NOT making any effort to resolve the situation for them. Champion is now ignoring victims and has completely failed to deliver the GT3 cars as purchased by the victims. Simply returning the deposits or offering a 2019 allocation for a different, significantly lesser value vehicle does not make the victims whole or come close to remedying the situation or compensating the victims’ losses. It is surprising that anyone on Rennlist would try to equate a 991.2 with Touring Package and PTS with a stock 992, since the collection values of those two cars are vastly different. As demonstrated in the Rampage case, Champion has been aware that SS was offering cars for sale that did not exist, using Champion’s forms and name to set up fake car sales, stealing deposits, overcharging for cars, and using side companies to hide deposits since at least September 2017, but they did absolutely nothing to restrict SS access to Champion’s sales documents, monitor SS work emails, supervise SS sales activities, or limit SS interactions with customers. They even admit in the current litigation that they knew SS was having financial problems because his wages had been garnished but did nothing to protect customers from his financial schemes. The attorney who is currently representing Champion and to whom all the victims are being directed is the exact same attorney who represented both SS and Champion in the Rampage case. Clearly Champion knew SS was capable of committing this kind of fraud and they provided him all the tools to accomplish this crime, but they did nothing to prevent it or protect their customers. If Champion wants to save its reputation then it needs to stop ignoring the victims and wholly compensate them for their losses.
09-19-2018, 10:47 PM
#1475
With all do respect...
The victims are NOT happy - they have been betrayed and Champion is NOT making any effort to resolve the situation for them. Champion is now ignoring victims and has completely failed to deliver the GT3 cars as purchased by the victims. Simply returning the deposits or offering a 2019 allocation for a different, significantly lesser value vehicle does not make the victims whole or come close to remedying the situation or compensating the victims’ losses. It is surprising that anyone on Rennlist would try to equate a 991.2 with Touring Package and PTS with a stock 992, since the collection values of those two cars are vastly different. As demonstrated in the Rampage case, Champion has been aware that SS was offering cars for sale that did not exist, using Champion’s forms and name to set up fake car sales, stealing deposits, overcharging for cars, and using side companies to hide deposits since at least September 2017, but they did absolutely nothing to restrict SS access to Champion’s sales documents, monitor SS work emails, supervise SS sales activities, or limit SS interactions with customers. They even admit in the current litigation that they knew SS was having financial problems because his wages had been garnished but did nothing to protect customers from his financial schemes. The attorney who is currently representing Champion and to whom all the victims are being directed is the exact same attorney who represented both SS and Champion in the Rampage case. Clearly Champion knew SS was capable of committing this kind of fraud and they provided him all the tools to accomplish this crime, but they did nothing to prevent it or protect their customers. If Champion wants to save its reputation then it needs to stop ignoring the victims and wholly compensate them for their losses.
The victims are NOT happy - they have been betrayed and Champion is NOT making any effort to resolve the situation for them. Champion is now ignoring victims and has completely failed to deliver the GT3 cars as purchased by the victims. Simply returning the deposits or offering a 2019 allocation for a different, significantly lesser value vehicle does not make the victims whole or come close to remedying the situation or compensating the victims’ losses. It is surprising that anyone on Rennlist would try to equate a 991.2 with Touring Package and PTS with a stock 992, since the collection values of those two cars are vastly different. As demonstrated in the Rampage case, Champion has been aware that SS was offering cars for sale that did not exist, using Champion’s forms and name to set up fake car sales, stealing deposits, overcharging for cars, and using side companies to hide deposits since at least September 2017, but they did absolutely nothing to restrict SS access to Champion’s sales documents, monitor SS work emails, supervise SS sales activities, or limit SS interactions with customers. They even admit in the current litigation that they knew SS was having financial problems because his wages had been garnished but did nothing to protect customers from his financial schemes. The attorney who is currently representing Champion and to whom all the victims are being directed is the exact same attorney who represented both SS and Champion in the Rampage case. Clearly Champion knew SS was capable of committing this kind of fraud and they provided him all the tools to accomplish this crime, but they did nothing to prevent it or protect their customers. If Champion wants to save its reputation then it needs to stop ignoring the victims and wholly compensate them for their losses.
perhaps you havent read this:
OFFICIAL STATEMENT:
As the Porsche community has learned, Champion Porsche together with approximately 20 valued customers have been defrauded by a former employee who utilized a fictitious entity to divert money customers believed to have been deposits for limited GT special order vehicles. The issue was discovered on September 4th and we have been diligently investigating and dealing with the matter since. We had no records of the fraudulent deals and have been assembling documentation with the assistance of cooperative customers. A civil lawsuit has been filed against the former employee, together with others who appear to have been involved in the fraud. Law enforcement has been contacted and we are fully cooperating with their investigation.
We understand, and share in the outrage that this issue has caused. We are working diligently to investigate and confirm which customers were impacted and fully intend to stand by our customers to assist them. It is our intention to insure that each customer impacted by this matter receives the amount delivered to the fictitious entity under a fraudulent order.
We have enjoyed a stellar reputation for decades. That reputation was earned through our commitment to customer satisfaction. While no one is immune from being the victim of fraud, we will successfully manage this issue by putting customers first and assuring that each customer receives the proceeds that were delivered to the fictitious entity under a fraudulent order.
and if you have - why continue to stir the pot? get a life
09-19-2018, 10:50 PM
#1476
Race Director
Originally Posted by Toad Hall
perhaps you havent read this:
and if you have - why continue to stir the pot? get a life
and if you have - why continue to stir the pot? get a life
Second post on RL ever and you're making friends quick ....
09-19-2018, 10:51 PM
#1477
09-19-2018, 11:38 PM
#1479
Race Director
Originally Posted by Toad Hall
did not post to make friends - only to make a statement and yup I took the bait - troll away
You made the statement. Go to bed now, goodnight.
09-19-2018, 11:39 PM
#1480
Drifting
[QUOTE=Porsche71;15301395]
Thank You , as I a Champion MSRP GT Customer , I concur and with my personal experience the Sr. managements integrity as well. The trashing here , demonstrated by a few, only shows those the lack comprehension of what is involved in building and continually improving to be the #1 volume Porsche store in this country ! It certainly wasn't achieved by ripping off it's customers along the way to get there. SS belongs in jail very soon he won't need to be concerned about making his mortgage payment .
I have bought, sold and traded in many cars at Champion Porsche, and I can tell you this company has always been first class all the way. I knew Dave and he is a legend in this business. We can not drag this company because of SS. SS fooled them and lied and conned his way into their lives, and defrauded people. Champion is cleaning up the mess. I have met the Maraj family, the sons and daughter, and these are very good people. These people are fixing the problem, offering 2019 allocation slots and giving back money. They learned a valuable lesson people. Going on and on about it, in an attempt to drag Champion’s name through the mud, is pointless. No matter what, Champion will remain a champion. SS will go to prison and everyone will either get another allocation and their money back. The victims have pretty happy with their results. This thread is becoming redundant. Cmon people, let up.
[/QUThank You , as I a Champion MSRP GT Customer , I concur and with my personal experience the Sr. managements integrity as well. The trashing here , demonstrated by a few, only shows those the lack comprehension of what is involved in building and continually improving to be the #1 volume Porsche store in this country ! It certainly wasn't achieved by ripping off it's customers along the way to get there. SS belongs in jail very soon he won't need to be concerned about making his mortgage payment .
09-19-2018, 11:45 PM
#1481
perhaps you havent read this:
OFFICIAL STATEMENT:
As the Porsche community has learned, Champion Porsche together with approximately 20 valued customers have been defrauded by a former employee who utilized a fictitious entity to divert money customers believed to have been deposits for limited GT special order vehicles. The issue was discovered on September 4th and we have been diligently investigating and dealing with the matter since. We had no records of the fraudulent deals and have been assembling documentation with the assistance of cooperative customers. A civil lawsuit has been filed against the former employee, together with others who appear to have been involved in the fraud. Law enforcement has been contacted and we are fully cooperating with their investigation.
We understand, and share in the outrage that this issue has caused. We are working diligently to investigate and confirm which customers were impacted and fully intend to stand by our customers to assist them. It is our intention to insure that each customer impacted by this matter receives the amount delivered to the fictitious entity under a fraudulent order.
We have enjoyed a stellar reputation for decades. That reputation was earned through our commitment to customer satisfaction. While no one is immune from being the victim of fraud, we will successfully manage this issue by putting customers first and assuring that each customer receives the proceeds that were delivered to the fictitious entity under a fraudulent order.
and if you have - why continue to stir the pot? get a life
OFFICIAL STATEMENT:
As the Porsche community has learned, Champion Porsche together with approximately 20 valued customers have been defrauded by a former employee who utilized a fictitious entity to divert money customers believed to have been deposits for limited GT special order vehicles. The issue was discovered on September 4th and we have been diligently investigating and dealing with the matter since. We had no records of the fraudulent deals and have been assembling documentation with the assistance of cooperative customers. A civil lawsuit has been filed against the former employee, together with others who appear to have been involved in the fraud. Law enforcement has been contacted and we are fully cooperating with their investigation.
We understand, and share in the outrage that this issue has caused. We are working diligently to investigate and confirm which customers were impacted and fully intend to stand by our customers to assist them. It is our intention to insure that each customer impacted by this matter receives the amount delivered to the fictitious entity under a fraudulent order.
We have enjoyed a stellar reputation for decades. That reputation was earned through our commitment to customer satisfaction. While no one is immune from being the victim of fraud, we will successfully manage this issue by putting customers first and assuring that each customer receives the proceeds that were delivered to the fictitious entity under a fraudulent order.
and if you have - why continue to stir the pot? get a life
If a person like Shiraaz Sookralli did this as an employee of a BANK WITH YOUR MONEY, do you think the bank would have fired everyone around him and anyone above him? You bet they would have.
And do you think they would have already made clients whole? The government would have already seen to it...
Think about your $XXX deposit and your expectation that your car would be built.... and the fact that you gave up other opportunities from other dealers for your car to be built.
AND NOW--YOUR CAR WILL NEVER BE BUILT.
"Hi, would you like a GT3RS instead?"
why continue to defend Champion and their lack of supervision?
09-19-2018, 11:46 PM
#1482
Race Director
I think everyone here wants Shiraaz to have his day in court and the victims reimbursed and their car orders figured out.
I don't want Champion hurt. Hope they can be the #1 dealer for the next 10 years.
We're just covering a HUGE fraud case here which has been written about in numerous publications. Are we supposed to ignore a legitimate story and $2.5MM fraud/theft case for the sake of hurting Shiraaz's or Champion's feelings? ?? I think not. We're not bullying some innocent person here. Those two brought this upon themselves and just anything else in life, will have to deal with the consequences of their actions. We're just covering the news and giving victims a voice.
I don't want Champion hurt. Hope they can be the #1 dealer for the next 10 years.
We're just covering a HUGE fraud case here which has been written about in numerous publications. Are we supposed to ignore a legitimate story and $2.5MM fraud/theft case for the sake of hurting Shiraaz's or Champion's feelings? ?? I think not. We're not bullying some innocent person here. Those two brought this upon themselves and just anything else in life, will have to deal with the consequences of their actions. We're just covering the news and giving victims a voice.
09-19-2018, 11:50 PM
#1483
[QUOTE=R.Deacon;15303598]
Thank You , as I a Champion MSRP GT Customer , I concur and with my personal experience the Sr. managements integrity as well. The trashing here , demonstrated by a few, only shows those the lack comprehension of what is involved in building and continually improving to be the #1 volume Porsche store in this country ! It certainly wasn't achieved by ripping off it's customers along the way to get there. SS belongs in jail very soon he won't need to be concerned about making his mortgage payment .
FANTASTIC SUPERVISION BY ALL OF CHAMPION MANAGEMENT--THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN AN AWARD FOR HOW TO SUPERVISE AFTER THE "FELLOW ASSETS" (AKA RAMPAGE 911R) LITIGATION.
I have bought, sold and traded in many cars at Champion Porsche, and I can tell you this company has always been first class all the way. I knew Dave and he is a legend in this business. We can not drag this company because of SS. SS fooled them and lied and conned his way into their lives, and defrauded people. Champion is cleaning up the mess. I have met the Maraj family, the sons and daughter, and these are very good people. These people are fixing the problem, offering 2019 allocation slots and giving back money. They learned a valuable lesson people. Going on and on about it, in an attempt to drag Champion’s name through the mud, is pointless. No matter what, Champion will remain a champion. SS will go to prison and everyone will either get another allocation and their money back. The victims have pretty happy with their results. This thread is becoming redundant. Cmon people, let up.
[/QUThank You , as I a Champion MSRP GT Customer , I concur and with my personal experience the Sr. managements integrity as well. The trashing here , demonstrated by a few, only shows those the lack comprehension of what is involved in building and continually improving to be the #1 volume Porsche store in this country ! It certainly wasn't achieved by ripping off it's customers along the way to get there. SS belongs in jail very soon he won't need to be concerned about making his mortgage payment .
09-19-2018, 11:56 PM
#1484
Three Wheelin'
I have bought lots of cars from them over the years, spent 500k there in round numbers. I know the Maraj family and count them as friends. I have known Shiraaz for 10 years and bought lots of upgrades from him when he was on the motorsports side. I am as surprised and shocked as anyone to hear what has happened. I will say this family business has been rocked by the death of Dave Maraj. I would encourage all of you to think carefully before you troll them on t the internet. I know they will make all those who got scammed whole. Likely they are insured against employee theft.
unless you have a personal stake please show some respect. If you have nothing better to do than speculate - get a life. Having said that i am off to Rennsport to go racing.
I hope you will all consider this and show some respect to a grieving family who has contributed so much to the Porsche community
thank you
unless you have a personal stake please show some respect. If you have nothing better to do than speculate - get a life. Having said that i am off to Rennsport to go racing.
I hope you will all consider this and show some respect to a grieving family who has contributed so much to the Porsche community
thank you
You have every right to defend Champion as you see fit. Others will too. But, you expect victims and other forum members to respect the family and to get a life when they voice their dissenting opinions about Champion? They don't have a right to complain that they were subjected to fraud at this dealership? That's quite the double standard you have there.
Dan (has no personal stake and, offers no respect to a man he never met because none is owed)
09-19-2018, 11:58 PM
#1485
Race Director
Originally Posted by 993KHTO
FANTASTIC SUPERVISION BY ALL OF CHAMPION MANAGEMENT--THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN AN AWARD FOR HOW TO SUPERVISE AFTER THE "FELLOW ASSETS" (AKA RAMPAGE 911R) LITIGATION.
This single incident will implicate Champion based on their documented knowledge of the frauds Shiraaz was committing as their VP which they didn't take him out of their organization for.
It's like leaving a child molester in a teaching position when they were just convicted the last school year. The molester does it again, and the school has just opened themselves up to some huge liability.
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