GT car / Salesman - Shiraaz Sookralli - Champion Porsche's VP of Marketing
10-05-2018, 11:50 AM
#1816
Race Car
Let's be honest and humble and just admit that we don't yet really know a lot about what actually happened. SS "seems" PRETTY SOFT WORD TO USE HERE, he stole something to have stolen money, but we don't really know how much he stole Doesn't matter he stole money, from who Yes you do know as several on here have posted and even if it is one, that's too many, over what period of time who cares the period of time, he stole, and whether anyone else was in on it. tough to assume there aren't more people in on it. It was $2.5M Regarding Champion, we don't know what they knew about what SS was doing doesn't matter they are liable as he was employed by them, their responsibility, and how their internal checks and balances compared with other dealers again doesn't matter, they are liable. We do know that our Porsche GT car market is somewhat overheated, and that many are unhappy with the allocation process.Well at least I agree with one sentence in here
My assumption and again for the few in this thread it is ONLY MY OPINION which I am allowed to have. I think Champion, Porsche and all the brokers are actually hoping this dude never gets caught because I have a feeling the facts and things that went down will be FAR MORE damaging than just getting these folks their money back via insurance claims and TRY to get this to blow over. Porsche is included in that as well. You don't get away with duping people out of an alleged $2.5M with A LOT of people being involved.
10-05-2018, 12:12 PM
#1817
Race Director
Guys, reading will help a lot before thinking this is all some rumors. Click on the links and read! You will learn ALOT. Form your own conclusions then before making accusations to those who are up to speed on the subject.
LEGAL FILINGS:
911R fraud incident
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...entid=1290833&
$2.5MM fraud
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...entid=1290801&
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...entid=1290803&
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...entid=1290802&
Details:
Copans Motors = legit company dba as Champion Porsche / Motorsports
Champion Autosports: Shill company by Shiraaz
Rampage Motorsports: Shill company by Shiraaz.
* Shill company Champion Autosports was started back in 2010. This fraud scheme seems to go back a LONG TIME.
LEGAL FILINGS:
911R fraud incident
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...entid=1290833&
$2.5MM fraud
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...entid=1290801&
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...entid=1290803&
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...entid=1290802&
Details:
Copans Motors = legit company dba as Champion Porsche / Motorsports
Champion Autosports: Shill company by Shiraaz
Rampage Motorsports: Shill company by Shiraaz.
* Shill company Champion Autosports was started back in 2010. This fraud scheme seems to go back a LONG TIME.
10-05-2018, 12:13 PM
#1818
Race Director
Originally Posted by goin2drt
there are plenty of facts to say this is a big deal and the allegations in this case are extreme. To just have this calm down and wait for it all to come out in a court of law is silly. There are enough facts to know that things are wrong, the dude should be caught and brought in to face his day of reckoning. Then ALL the facts will come to the surface.
My assumption and again for the few in this thread it is ONLY MY OPINION which I am allowed to have. I think Champion, Porsche and all the brokers are actually hoping this dude never gets caught because I have a feeling the facts and things that went down will be FAR MORE damaging than just getting these folks their money back via insurance claims and TRY to get this to blow over. Porsche is included in that as well. You don't get away with duping people out of an alleged $2.5M with A LOT of people being involved.
My assumption and again for the few in this thread it is ONLY MY OPINION which I am allowed to have. I think Champion, Porsche and all the brokers are actually hoping this dude never gets caught because I have a feeling the facts and things that went down will be FAR MORE damaging than just getting these folks their money back via insurance claims and TRY to get this to blow over. Porsche is included in that as well. You don't get away with duping people out of an alleged $2.5M with A LOT of people being involved.
Better explained than I can even do.If I run across any news I'll post it. No use on explaining the obvious anymore. Unfortunate fact is anyone with an internet connection can be an expert and post about things they've done little research on.
10-05-2018, 01:28 PM
#1819
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I'm not saying this all needs to be calmed down, but there's no point keeping the discussion going based on more speculation from the same old information. The thread has a lot of views because the story is titillating, and people check in to see if there's anything new to report, but there usually isn't.
And let's not blow this up into an important "cause," as though it's a big deal that a bunch of affluent/rich guys aren't able to get the toys they want, when they want them at the prices they want. Yes, money was stolen, but it happens every day, and often the amounts are a lot bigger than $2.5 million. The people who really have warrant to get riled up about this are the ones who have real skin in the game, which few of us in this thread do. We live in a country where there are legal processes, not just internet forums, to try to recover stolen money.
Simple rule to avoid being defrauded in this way is to pay little or no deposit on a car, and make the payment when the car actually arrives. When you try to jump ahead in the line by being willing to pay a large ADM and make that payment up front, just to get an allocation, you take a risk, and in this case some people got burned.
And let's not blow this up into an important "cause," as though it's a big deal that a bunch of affluent/rich guys aren't able to get the toys they want, when they want them at the prices they want. Yes, money was stolen, but it happens every day, and often the amounts are a lot bigger than $2.5 million. The people who really have warrant to get riled up about this are the ones who have real skin in the game, which few of us in this thread do. We live in a country where there are legal processes, not just internet forums, to try to recover stolen money.
Simple rule to avoid being defrauded in this way is to pay little or no deposit on a car, and make the payment when the car actually arrives. When you try to jump ahead in the line by being willing to pay a large ADM and make that payment up front, just to get an allocation, you take a risk, and in this case some people got burned.
10-05-2018, 04:51 PM
#1821
Race Director
Originally Posted by STG
These guys got Mitra Maraj's picture on here rather than Shiraaz.
http://www.autoracing1.com/hotnews.asp?tid=142893
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Here's Shiraaz guys:
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http://www.autoracing1.com/hotnews.asp?tid=142893
Attachment 1292927
Here's Shiraaz guys:
Attachment 1292928
Yup, less than 12 hours later they corrected what I pointed out. Do I get a thank you?? Nope!
10-06-2018, 05:20 PM
#1823
7th Gear
Sookralli Fraud
,I have purchased over a dozen new Porsches from Champion. All my experiences with them have been 100% satisfactory. The same is true regarding my service experience.
In regard to the Sookralli fraud situation, they have handled it in a professional and fair manner. First referring people to their attorney, and then promising to making restitution. It’s obvious that Champion can’t supply those defrauded, with all the vehicles, as they do not have an allocation. Allocations are up to Porsche USA.
Lets talk about ADM. Everybody would like to purchase the difficult to get Porsches at MSRP. However, is it fair that speculators purchase the car at MSRP, and then sell them for a substantial profit. Keep in mind, the dealer has all the expenses of operating a dealership, hundred of thousands of dollars. The speculator has no expense or responsibilities to the manufacturer. The manufacturers push the dealer to purchase vehicles that are slow sellers. In many instances these vehicles may be sold at little profit, and in some instances a loss. The ADM sales give the dealer an opportunity to make up for the hard to sell vehicles.
The owner of Champion, David Miraj, recently died in a boating accident, putting the owners son, Mitra suddenly in the drivers seat. Several days later, the Sookralli fraud occurs. Now Mitra’s in the drivers seat. Not an easy situation for Mitra.
I know Mitra from my dealings at Champion. He is a great guy. Under his leadership Champion Porsche will continue to be a great place to buy and service your Porsche.
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In regard to the Sookralli fraud situation, they have handled it in a professional and fair manner. First referring people to their attorney, and then promising to making restitution. It’s obvious that Champion can’t supply those defrauded, with all the vehicles, as they do not have an allocation. Allocations are up to Porsche USA.
Lets talk about ADM. Everybody would like to purchase the difficult to get Porsches at MSRP. However, is it fair that speculators purchase the car at MSRP, and then sell them for a substantial profit. Keep in mind, the dealer has all the expenses of operating a dealership, hundred of thousands of dollars. The speculator has no expense or responsibilities to the manufacturer. The manufacturers push the dealer to purchase vehicles that are slow sellers. In many instances these vehicles may be sold at little profit, and in some instances a loss. The ADM sales give the dealer an opportunity to make up for the hard to sell vehicles.
The owner of Champion, David Miraj, recently died in a boating accident, putting the owners son, Mitra suddenly in the drivers seat. Several days later, the Sookralli fraud occurs. Now Mitra’s in the drivers seat. Not an easy situation for Mitra.
I know Mitra from my dealings at Champion. He is a great guy. Under his leadership Champion Porsche will continue to be a great place to buy and service your Porsche.
..
10-06-2018, 05:50 PM
#1824
You forgot to add
to give you credibility with your rebuttal.
And how much do you think this question
will add to your ADM support?
And how much do you think this question
,I have purchased over a dozen new Porsches from Champion. All my experiences with them have been 100% satisfactory. The same is true regarding my service experience.
In regard to the Sookralli fraud situation, they have handled it in a professional and fair manner. First referring people to their attorney, and then promising to making restitution. It’s obvious that Champion can’t supply those defrauded, with all the vehicles, as they do not have an allocation. Allocations are up to Porsche USA.
Lets talk about ADM. Everybody would like to purchase the difficult to get Porsches at MSRP. However, is it fair that speculators purchase the car at MSRP, and then sell them for a substantial profit. Keep in mind, the dealer has all the expenses of operating a dealership, hundred of thousands of dollars. The speculator has no expense or responsibilities to the manufacturer. The manufacturers push the dealer to purchase vehicles that are slow sellers. In many instances these vehicles may be sold at little profit, and in some instances a loss. The ADM sales give the dealer an opportunity to make up for the hard to sell vehicles.
The owner of Champion, David Miraj, recently died in a boating accident, putting the owners son, Mitra suddenly in the drivers seat. Several days later, the Sookralli fraud occurs. Now Mitra’s in the drivers seat. Not an easy situation for Mitra.
I know Mitra from my dealings at Champion. He is a great guy. Under his leadership Champion Porsche will continue to be a great place to buy and service your Porsche.
..
In regard to the Sookralli fraud situation, they have handled it in a professional and fair manner. First referring people to their attorney, and then promising to making restitution. It’s obvious that Champion can’t supply those defrauded, with all the vehicles, as they do not have an allocation. Allocations are up to Porsche USA.
Lets talk about ADM. Everybody would like to purchase the difficult to get Porsches at MSRP. However, is it fair that speculators purchase the car at MSRP, and then sell them for a substantial profit. Keep in mind, the dealer has all the expenses of operating a dealership, hundred of thousands of dollars. The speculator has no expense or responsibilities to the manufacturer. The manufacturers push the dealer to purchase vehicles that are slow sellers. In many instances these vehicles may be sold at little profit, and in some instances a loss. The ADM sales give the dealer an opportunity to make up for the hard to sell vehicles.
The owner of Champion, David Miraj, recently died in a boating accident, putting the owners son, Mitra suddenly in the drivers seat. Several days later, the Sookralli fraud occurs. Now Mitra’s in the drivers seat. Not an easy situation for Mitra.
I know Mitra from my dealings at Champion. He is a great guy. Under his leadership Champion Porsche will continue to be a great place to buy and service your Porsche.
..
10-06-2018, 09:33 PM
#1825
Rennlist Member
Yup, less than 12 hours later they corrected what I pointed out. Do I get a thank you?? Nope!
Attachment 1293003
Attachment 1293003
10-07-2018, 11:19 AM
#1826
Race Director
https://www.carscoops.com/2018/10/po...rmer-employee/
All based on the Auto News story.
So the court hearing info will be confidential?? Hmmmm..... wonder if they were successful with that?? Shouldn't it be open records? What's there to hide?
http://www.autonews.com/article/2018...oreUserAgent=1
Last edited by STG; 10-07-2018 at 12:22 PM.
10-08-2018, 12:13 AM
#1827
Race Director
New article. What the hell is this about?
New Brand Ambassadors??
Yum. Shiraaz back in charge of marketing? What language is this anyway??
http://www.automotor.hu/hirek/kartal...mpion-porsche/
New Brand Ambassadors??
Yum. Shiraaz back in charge of marketing? What language is this anyway?? http://www.automotor.hu/hirek/kartal...mpion-porsche/
Last edited by STG; 10-08-2018 at 12:48 AM.
