Possible additional run of GT3's?
03-05-2018, 01:49 AM
#166
Nordschleife Master
Mooty is of course correct. The buyers are ultimately to blame. There are 2 types:
#1
They like to play the 'capitalism' card when it's really more like 'piracy'.
They like to thump their chest and say it's a small sum to them and they can enjoy now before the peasants do
They like to say it's not possible to get a car at msrp
They like to perpetuate the problem because if they did it, everybody has to do it too.
They get offended when they realize that they really were taken for a ride because they are used to taking others for a ride.
#2
On the flip side, there are people who really want the car and the cards just haven't played out for them to get an allocation at msrp.
They wanted the car badly enough where paying adm was the only way to get the car
They don't like doing it, but it was the only way they could see it happening
They know the dealer gouged them, but it's not going to bother them enough to not get and enjoy the car. My cousin hated the dealer and hated himself for doing it to get a GT4, but it was the only way for him.
Both are contributing to the problem. However, I'm personally much more sympathetic to #2 than #1.
03-05-2018, 01:50 AM
#167
Burning Brakes
Respect to all of you who bought at msrp. If people would only wait and not jump into buying gt cars even before they come out there would be no adm and less value threads.
Those who pay adm are also the ones who think people who refuse to pay it can't afford the car (and are also ironically unsolicited internet financial advisors) and bash on people who ask about value.
03-05-2018, 01:50 AM
#168
Nordschleife Master
respect for your many previous great posts, but disagree with you here.
Easy to say what you just said when you’re sitting pretty with an MSRP allocation. Plenty of people, myself included have patronized a particular local dealer for years purchased multiple new Porsches, placed a .2 GT3 deposit 2.5 years ago, told we would get an allocation, only to be told in the last few months that all GT cars would now be sold with ADM. I definitely feel they took advantage of me.
The premise of ADM is to take advantage of someone
That totally sucks that your dealer did that to you. Totally unacceptable. Sorry to hear that happened.
03-05-2018, 01:56 AM
#169
RL Community Team
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
No one should be telling others what to pay.
And no no one needs to come on here to justify what they paid.
This is whole discussion is asinine.
And no no one needs to come on here to justify what they paid.
This is whole discussion is asinine.
03-05-2018, 02:01 AM
#172
Rennlist Member
Yup. I don't take advantage of others for a living, so it seems pretty cut and dry to me. It may not be for others.
Mooty is of course correct. The buyers are ultimately to blame. There are 2 types:
#1
They like to play the 'capitalism' card when it's really more like 'piracy'.
They like to thump their chest and say it's a small sum to them and they can enjoy now before the peasants do
They like to say it's not possible to get a car at msrp
They like to perpetuate the problem because if they did it, everybody has to do it too.
They get offended when they realize that they really were taken for a ride because they are used to taking others for a ride.
#2
On the flip side, there are people who really want the car and the cards just haven't played out for them to get an allocation at msrp.
They wanted the car badly enough where paying adm was the only way to get the car
They don't like doing it, but it was the only way they could see it happening
They know the dealer gouged them, but it's not going to bother them enough to not get and enjoy the car. My cousin hated the dealer and hated himself for doing it to get a GT4, but it was the only way for him.
Both are contributing to the problem. However, I'm personally much more sympathetic to #2 than #1.
Mooty is of course correct. The buyers are ultimately to blame. There are 2 types:
#1
They like to play the 'capitalism' card when it's really more like 'piracy'.
They like to thump their chest and say it's a small sum to them and they can enjoy now before the peasants do
They like to say it's not possible to get a car at msrp
They like to perpetuate the problem because if they did it, everybody has to do it too.
They get offended when they realize that they really were taken for a ride because they are used to taking others for a ride.
#2
On the flip side, there are people who really want the car and the cards just haven't played out for them to get an allocation at msrp.
They wanted the car badly enough where paying adm was the only way to get the car
They don't like doing it, but it was the only way they could see it happening
They know the dealer gouged them, but it's not going to bother them enough to not get and enjoy the car. My cousin hated the dealer and hated himself for doing it to get a GT4, but it was the only way for him.
Both are contributing to the problem. However, I'm personally much more sympathetic to #2 than #1.
03-05-2018, 02:06 AM
#173
Rennlist Member
Thanks, but I'm confused. Aren't you agreeing with me when you say you feel they took advantage of you? That is what I am saying.
The premise of ADM is to take advantage of someone
That totally sucks that your dealer did that to you. Totally unacceptable. Sorry to hear that happened.
The premise of ADM is to take advantage of someone
That totally sucks that your dealer did that to you. Totally unacceptable. Sorry to hear that happened.
03-05-2018, 02:06 AM
#174
Drifting
03-05-2018, 02:07 AM
#175
Originally Posted by orthojoe
You got taken advantage of. That is the entire premise of ADM. If you're cool with it and that was the only way to get a car, so be it. However, you still got taken advantage of.
I was willing to pay an ADM so that I could get a car with insane demand I wanted no strings attached with *zero* purchase history from a dealer. I can understand how a dealer would want to give an MSRP allocation to a local customer who services their cars and buys regular 911s, a Panamera, Macan, etc.. makes total sense. I could either spend upwards 50-100-150k+ for cars I might not want or need, or pay my $15K ADM. I haven't heard of too many people with zero purchase history getting a configurable allocation at MSRP. And for those that got a pre-built car at MSRP with zero purchase history, that is awesome and I would consider it lucky. I'm not spending $200K like a chump getting taken advantage of in my humble opinion, I'm spending that money for a car I really want and I'm happy I was able to secure without being a VIP or a client that a dealership wants to keep happy with multiple purchases in the past and perhaps on the horizon. To further the point, my eyes are wide open and I'm very happy and excited for my car. Got exactly what I wanted, with euro delivery which I've always wanted to do, and likely spent *less* money to get the car and do that than had I "built up a relationship with a dealer."
Don't say any of this to boast as that is the polar opposite of who I am and how I carry myself, but wanted to chime in after I heard us ADM-payers were getting taken for a ride hehe. You are absolutely entitled to your own opinion if you think differently! It sure works out if you have a purchase history already unintentionally out of desire for other P-cars but for others not in those shoes, the ADM works well for better or worse.
Edit - also I had been on the list with 6 dealers (some since 2016) with 0 leads. Have prior purchase history with my local dealer in Hawaii over 10 years (Cayenne Turbo, 997.1, 997.2, 991.1) and they just didn't get enough allocations either.
03-05-2018, 02:13 AM
#176
Drifting
Drifting , with Joe on the treatment u got from the dealer , major bummer , I see your sig showing a planned ED for the car with your dedication/history here
geez most disappointing
geez most disappointing
03-05-2018, 02:22 AM
#177
Yup. I don't take advantage of others for a living, so it seems pretty cut and dry to me. It may not be for others.
Mooty is of course correct. The buyers are ultimately to blame. There are 2 types:
#1
They like to play the 'capitalism' card when it's really more like 'piracy'.
They like to thump their chest and say it's a small sum to them and they can enjoy now before the peasants do
They like to say it's not possible to get a car at msrp
They like to perpetuate the problem because if they did it, everybody has to do it too.
They get offended when they realize that they really were taken for a ride because they are used to taking others for a ride.
#2
On the flip side, there are people who really want the car and the cards just haven't played out for them to get an allocation at msrp.
They wanted the car badly enough where paying adm was the only way to get the car
They don't like doing it, but it was the only way they could see it happening
They know the dealer gouged them, but it's not going to bother them enough to not get and enjoy the car. My cousin hated the dealer and hated himself for doing it to get a GT4, but it was the only way for him.
Both are contributing to the problem. However, I'm personally much more sympathetic to #2 than #1.
Mooty is of course correct. The buyers are ultimately to blame. There are 2 types:
#1
They like to play the 'capitalism' card when it's really more like 'piracy'.
They like to thump their chest and say it's a small sum to them and they can enjoy now before the peasants do
They like to say it's not possible to get a car at msrp
They like to perpetuate the problem because if they did it, everybody has to do it too.
They get offended when they realize that they really were taken for a ride because they are used to taking others for a ride.
#2
On the flip side, there are people who really want the car and the cards just haven't played out for them to get an allocation at msrp.
They wanted the car badly enough where paying adm was the only way to get the car
They don't like doing it, but it was the only way they could see it happening
They know the dealer gouged them, but it's not going to bother them enough to not get and enjoy the car. My cousin hated the dealer and hated himself for doing it to get a GT4, but it was the only way for him.
Both are contributing to the problem. However, I'm personally much more sympathetic to #2 than #1.
You are parading around your opinion about judging others who paid an ADM what they decide to do with their hard earned money, this looks like the slippery slope of judging the haves vs. have-nots. Except in this case the "haves" are the ones who are able to get a car at MSRP and the "have-nots" are the guys who couldn't get their GT3 at MSRP.My business is my own just as yours is yours. What you do with your money, buy at MSRP, pay an ADM, get your GT3 at a discount, as long as you are happy that's what should matter, same for everyone else. I'm not going to waste time judging you for what you decide to do with your money. And I believe in treating people the way I want to be treated
03-05-2018, 02:33 AM
#178
Rennlist Member
I wouldn't generalize buyers into two buckets personally, and wouldn't care too either. Do any of us care which bucket you are more sympathetic to? You are parading around your opinion about judging others who paid an ADM what they decide to do with their hard earned money, this looks like the slippery slope of judging the haves vs. have-nots. Except in this case the "haves" are the ones who are able to get a car at MSRP and the "have-nots" are the guys who couldn't get their GT3 at MSRP.
My business is my own just as yours is yours. What you do with your money, buy at MSRP, pay an ADM, get your GT3 at a discount, as long as you are happy that's what should matter, same for everyone else. I'm not going to waste time judging you for what you decide to do with your money. And I believe in treating people the way I want to be treated
You are parading around your opinion about judging others who paid an ADM what they decide to do with their hard earned money, this looks like the slippery slope of judging the haves vs. have-nots. Except in this case the "haves" are the ones who are able to get a car at MSRP and the "have-nots" are the guys who couldn't get their GT3 at MSRP.My business is my own just as yours is yours. What you do with your money, buy at MSRP, pay an ADM, get your GT3 at a discount, as long as you are happy that's what should matter, same for everyone else. I'm not going to waste time judging you for what you decide to do with your money. And I believe in treating people the way I want to be treated
There is no right or wrong here, and some of us may be just a little more blunt. We all know what ADM is, and, as much as we do not like it, some of us end up paying it to get what we want. No salt on open wounds any more, peace!
03-05-2018, 02:45 AM
#179
Racer
In the end, we should be all grateful that we are able to get this car...no matter the means. It is your hard earned money, who cares how you spend it.
I believe in Karma, life is fair....you gain some and you loose some.
Jack
