2009 Cayman RS
#16
Originally Posted by Nordschleife
However, the race Cayman of Alzen uses the dry sump engine, however hacking a race car around is easier than it is with a road car.
This leaves several of us with a wait whilst the problem of fitting a quart into a pint pot is resolved.
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This leaves several of us with a wait whilst the problem of fitting a quart into a pint pot is resolved.
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I'm getting tired of waiting too !
BTW, how's your GF's Cayman comming along???
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If you're referring to Robin his sources are of the highest caliber but they won't be divulged on a public forum.
Right Robin??
Right Robin??
Last edited by smlporsche; 07-27-2007 at 03:56 PM.
#19
the lightweight car is coming on. I am concerned about fragile gearboxes. As far as racing is concerned. PAG is in a rut with gearboxes. I am hoping that Ullrich will talk to the people at Weissach about why he has gone down the path he has.
In theory, we now have the 6012 gearbox available which is a roadgoing proper transaxle, so the race cars can have a race version of a transaxle designed to take 'a lot' of talk (or torque if you must). One of the good things about the R10 is that it has pushed the technology in lots of areas, including gearboxes. However it is very expensive making that kind of gearbox swap for just one car.
I need to have another look at some of the bits on the Alzen car.
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In theory, we now have the 6012 gearbox available which is a roadgoing proper transaxle, so the race cars can have a race version of a transaxle designed to take 'a lot' of talk (or torque if you must). One of the good things about the R10 is that it has pushed the technology in lots of areas, including gearboxes. However it is very expensive making that kind of gearbox swap for just one car.
I need to have another look at some of the bits on the Alzen car.
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#20
Originally Posted by Vegas4
And what is his source on this info.?
I don't see any links.
I don't see any links.
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#22
Originally Posted by Lorne
I'm sure Ruf could make it work in a road going car for a client with deep pockets.
I would love to see the Alzen car at Rennsport Reunion come November.
I would love to see the Alzen car at Rennsport Reunion come November.
Actually, for racing, the Studiotorino/Stolla/Ruf car could be a better homologation platform than the Cayman from PAG. Small manufacturer, more flexilility, less stringent volume production requirements........
The last VLN is 27 October, I'm not sure when Rennsport Reunion III is, and if there is time, there is also the Essen show at the end of the month.
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Originally Posted by PTEC
And just out of curiosity do tell how are they making 450 hp out of the 3.8?
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Originally Posted by Nordschleife
Have a look at the Alzen site. As far as gearboxes go, information is on a need to know basis.
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#26
Originally Posted by GrantG
Not that far a leap - GT3 makes 415hp from 3.6L without Direct Injection. Add DI to 3.8L dry-sump motor and you're there...
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Originally Posted by PTEC
And I wouldn't be so quick to assume all you would have to do is slap DFI on it and you would gain 35 hp.
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I think it is strange that Porsche has made a host full of business decisions that somewhat fly in the face of their heritage and culture yet they cling to the notion that they can only race the 911 in GT classes. I think a Cayman race car would be a nice idea.
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Originally Posted by DrJupeman
I think it is strange that Porsche has made a host full of business decisions that somewhat fly in the face of their heritage and culture yet they cling to the notion that they can only race the 911 in GT classes. I think a Cayman race car would be a nice idea.
When one compares the Boxster S to the 911 for content, I am struck at the similarities, the brakes, transmission gear cluster, engine components, front suspension, body parts and interior are essentially identical in design and one would assume manufacturing costs. The rear suspension of the 911 is more complex than the Boxster's, but the complex convertible roof of the Boxster has to be much more expensive to build than the steel roof of the 911.
At a base price of $55,700 for the Boxster S compared to the 911's base price of $73,500- a 32% increase- it is easy to see the 911 is a cash cow Porsche does not want to mess with, hence they have to keep it in FIA GT racing to substantiate its image.
The director of Porsche Motorsports NA was interviewed recently in Excellence magazine and stated Porsche was looking for a gearbox that would allow the engine to be lowered further in the 911 chassis, presumably in an effort to compete with Ferrari, they must go to this length to keep the 911 in racing when it would be more effective to just make a Cayman race car.
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Originally Posted by Cupcar
they must go to this length to keep the 911 in racing when it would be more effective to just make a Cayman race car.
The 911 is such a proven design and proven race winner, that one can see how it would be difficult to throw out the baby with the bath water.