smlporsche

Robin-

I'm getting tired of waiting too !

BTW, how's your GF's Cayman comming along???

Vegas4

And what is his source on this info.?
I don't see any links.

smlporsche

If you're referring to Robin his sources are of the highest caliber but they won't be divulged on a public forum.

Right Robin??

Nordschleife

the lightweight car is coming on. I am concerned about fragile gearboxes. As far as racing is concerned. PAG is in a rut with gearboxes. I am hoping that Ullrich will talk to the people at Weissach about why he has gone down the path he has.

In theory, we now have the 6012 gearbox available which is a roadgoing proper transaxle, so the race cars can have a race version of a transaxle designed to take 'a lot' of talk (or torque if you must). One of the good things about the R10 is that it has pushed the technology in lots of areas, including gearboxes. However it is very expensive making that kind of gearbox swap for just one car.

I need to have another look at some of the bits on the Alzen car.

R+C

Nordschleife

Have a look at the Alzen site. As far as gearboxes go, information is on a need to know basis.

R+C

Leica356

I'm sure Ruf could make it work in a road going car for a client with deep pockets.

I would love to see the Alzen car at Rennsport Reunion come November.

Nordschleife

Ruf chose not to go down that path when they started the project -that is where I got my information from, and where I inspected the cars. The dry sump block only really becomes an issue in the race car, the lightweight car serves two purposes, to wean the main squeeze off her Ducati and to be a platform for any bits that might end up in an eventual track car. Hence my concern about gearboxes.

Actually, for racing, the Studiotorino/Stolla/Ruf car could be a better homologation platform than the Cayman from PAG. Small manufacturer, more flexilility, less stringent volume production requirements........

The last VLN is 27 October, I'm not sure when Rennsport Reunion III is, and if there is time, there is also the Essen show at the end of the month.

R+C

928Buyer

There is another Cayman with a GT3 motor in it running around now as well but the original poster on this thread is smoking crack or something.

GrantG

Not that far a leap - GT3 makes 415hp from 3.6L without Direct Injection. Add DI to 3.8L dry-sump motor and you're there...

Cupcar

Why all the secrecy about their gearbox?

PTEC

I'm not saying its impossible to achieve 450hp from a 3.8L I'm saying Porsche will never do it with what they currently offer. Either way you're comparing the engine in the GT3 (GT1 based) to the engine in the 997S (the only 3.8 currently offered) which as you know is a total joke. And I wouldn't be so quick to assume all you would have to do is slap DFI on it and you would gain 35 hp. I guessing your making this assumption based on the new Cayenne but don't forget that in addition to DFI they also added .3L of displacement.

GrantG

Yes, I'm assuming you could gain 35hp from adding DI and also with the addition of 200cc (3.6L to 3.8L)...

DrJupeman

I think it is strange that Porsche has made a host full of business decisions that somewhat fly in the face of their heritage and culture yet they cling to the notion that they can only race the 911 in GT classes. I think a Cayman race car would be a nice idea.

Cupcar

When one compares the Boxster S to the 911 for content, I am struck at the similarities, the brakes, transmission gear cluster, engine components, front suspension, body parts and interior are essentially identical in design and one would assume manufacturing costs. The rear suspension of the 911 is more complex than the Boxster's, but the complex convertible roof of the Boxster has to be much more expensive to build than the steel roof of the 911.

At a base price of $55,700 for the Boxster S compared to the 911's base price of $73,500- a 32% increase- it is easy to see the 911 is a cash cow Porsche does not want to mess with, hence they have to keep it in FIA GT racing to substantiate its image.

The director of Porsche Motorsports NA was interviewed recently in Excellence magazine and stated Porsche was looking for a gearbox that would allow the engine to be lowered further in the 911 chassis, presumably in an effort to compete with Ferrari, they must go to this length to keep the 911 in racing when it would be more effective to just make a Cayman race car.

PTurbo965

Or they could produce a mid-engined car and declare it to be "the new 911". Will people complain? Yes. Will there be countless debates on the internet over whether it is a "real 911"? Yes. Just like the whole air-cooled vs water-cooled debate. Would life go on? Yes. Would Porsche keep on making boatloads of cash? Bet your life.

The 911 is such a proven design and proven race winner, that one can see how it would be difficult to throw out the baby with the bath water.