Cayman S = $58k / Cayman = $??
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We already know that the Cayman S will sell for $58k.
Would anybody car to speculate about the price of the Cayman (base) and when will it be available?
Would anybody car to speculate about the price of the Cayman (base) and when will it be available?
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Then again, most car compaines aren't Porsche. Thank God. Most car companies introduce the coupe models first. Most car companies bring out the base models first or at the same time. Most car companies rush to market to try and beat the competitor with marketing and timing. Porsche is a blessing.
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Then again, most car compaines aren't Porsche. Thank God. Most car companies introduce the coupe models first. Most car companies bring out the base models first or at the same time. Most car companies rush to market to try and beat the competitor with marketing and timing. Porsche is a blessing.
The 911 Coupe came out first
We are waiting on the Cab and the Turbo
And then the new GT-3 will be hitting the showrooms some time further down the production cycle.
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The point was they don't do things like every other car company simply because it is "conventional." Not that convention is necessarily bad. But convention for conventions sake is. They certainly don't rush to market to try to beat competitors with timing.
I get so sick of hearing so many people dump all over Porsche management and then tell us how they SHOULD do it. Whatever. And of course, the reponse will be that I am some Porsche homer who can't see past my loyalty to the company.
How many more times am I going to have to see someone complain about how this is really the Boxster Coupe and they should have called it that... blah, blah, blah. GET OVER IT! First of all, it is quite a bit different from being a Boxster Coupe, and secondly, it's actually not a bad idea to differentiate this car from it's Boxtser brethen.
I could go on, but only to have the critic crowd beat me into the ground.
I get so sick of hearing so many people dump all over Porsche management and then tell us how they SHOULD do it. Whatever. And of course, the reponse will be that I am some Porsche homer who can't see past my loyalty to the company.
How many more times am I going to have to see someone complain about how this is really the Boxster Coupe and they should have called it that... blah, blah, blah. GET OVER IT! First of all, it is quite a bit different from being a Boxster Coupe, and secondly, it's actually not a bad idea to differentiate this car from it's Boxtser brethen.
I could go on, but only to have the critic crowd beat me into the ground.
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More than likely, you would just need to replace the connecting rods and that would increase the stroke enough to give you the extra 200cc. I don't really know for sure.
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Maybe they will put in a new 3.0L in base Cayman! They should have just put in the 3.6L from carrera in base cayman and 3.8L from carrera S in Cayman S. Market it as different car in same class as 911. They won't lose any 911 sales, any lost sales will go to cayman. The old 928 failed because it was meant as replacing 911. I think Porsche learned that you can't get rid of the 911. I don't understand the need for dumbing down certain models especially non-911's, and the ridiculous number of engine variations made.
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the problem is, though, that unlike the 928, the cayman has more going for it than the 911 in most "practical" car respects. It lacks (considerable) heritage, but let's not fool ourselves.
The Cayman S costs porsche a LOT less to make than the Boxster S does...yet it holds a 10K premium...This is what companies with a really good product (or a captive market) do to make massive profits. The base Boxster is their least profitable vehicle, from a per-car basis...They don't need another least-profitable vehicle...They need to take advantage of their position and pardon me, abuse their customer base. The relative value of a Cayman S is much higher than the relative cost of a Cayman S, at least in Porsche world.
The only way this thing is bad for Porsche is if they got the market wrong and nobody buys them...because dealers will sell them for something closer to the invoice (which is probabably well under 40K), the resale value will drop to reflect this, and we will all get our 35K slightly-used cayman S monsters.
I hope for Porsche's sake that this doesn't happen, but I hope for my ow sake...sorta...that it does. Because I'm not paying more for something that costs less to make just because someone wants me to and thinks they can get me to do it.
I'd rather have a 911 than a cayman, but i'd rather have a cayman than a boxster. A $38,000 dollar Cayman would become incredibly popular. They'll never do it, but the market might do it for them....
The Cayman S costs porsche a LOT less to make than the Boxster S does...yet it holds a 10K premium...This is what companies with a really good product (or a captive market) do to make massive profits. The base Boxster is their least profitable vehicle, from a per-car basis...They don't need another least-profitable vehicle...They need to take advantage of their position and pardon me, abuse their customer base. The relative value of a Cayman S is much higher than the relative cost of a Cayman S, at least in Porsche world.
The only way this thing is bad for Porsche is if they got the market wrong and nobody buys them...because dealers will sell them for something closer to the invoice (which is probabably well under 40K), the resale value will drop to reflect this, and we will all get our 35K slightly-used cayman S monsters.
I hope for Porsche's sake that this doesn't happen, but I hope for my ow sake...sorta...that it does. Because I'm not paying more for something that costs less to make just because someone wants me to and thinks they can get me to do it.
I'd rather have a 911 than a cayman, but i'd rather have a cayman than a boxster. A $38,000 dollar Cayman would become incredibly popular. They'll never do it, but the market might do it for them....