What Exhaust Tips? Experience-No Drone
09-03-2019, 12:09 PM
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I am a civil engineer not mechanical so if I take into account crossflow design of the Soul product .....I'm not smart enough to do the calcs...I'd assume that the Soul design might scavenge better. In effect dual purpose having that design for sound and scavenging. When I watched the Fabspeed Youtube, they talk about the flow being greater in their product but is that laminar flow or the pulsed flow of the exhaust that was simulated in the testing? Don't know. I do care about the sound.
I have no financial interest in any of the three....just looking for feedback and thoughts.
It's unfortunate that video exists. There is no flow data (or any data) that substantiates the claims of that tip comparison. It's like a power claim with no reputable third party dyno chart for verification, and does nothing to help properly educate the community.
Our cast X-pipe allows for a smooth transition into and out of the X section. The casting of the interior is also smooth, without any protrusions from welds. A proper back purged weld with full penetration will most likely have some material on the backside in the X. Non-cast designs can and have failed at this point due to stress and possibly lack of proper welding techniques. We’ve made a very conscious decision to offer the most durable X solution possible with our customers in mind. We’ve also been using these X-sections with great success on our full line of Boxster / Cayman exhaust systems which are proven to perform, and warrantied to do so on the track for life! Cast components such as this have been proven for years in OEM applications and by companies like IPD Plenums.
To be realistic, the effects of any x-pipe would be small to where the any power gains or losses would not be felt. You can expect a smoother exhaust note and we have a wealth of tip options with customization available to have your tips built exactly how you see fit.
Here is our x-pipe in use on the fastest PCA Boxster around Watkins Glen!
-Mike
I am a civil engineer not mechanical so if I take into account crossflow design of the Soul product .....I'm not smart enough to do the calcs...I'd assume that the Soul design might scavenge better. In effect dual purpose having that design for sound and scavenging. When I watched the Fabspeed Youtube, they talk about the flow being greater in their product but is that laminar flow or the pulsed flow of the exhaust that was simulated in the testing? Don't know. I do care about the sound.
I have no financial interest in any of the three....just looking for feedback and thoughts.
Our cast X-pipe allows for a smooth transition into and out of the X section. The casting of the interior is also smooth, without any protrusions from welds. A proper back purged weld with full penetration will most likely have some material on the backside in the X. Non-cast designs can and have failed at this point due to stress and possibly lack of proper welding techniques. We’ve made a very conscious decision to offer the most durable X solution possible with our customers in mind. We’ve also been using these X-sections with great success on our full line of Boxster / Cayman exhaust systems which are proven to perform, and warrantied to do so on the track for life! Cast components such as this have been proven for years in OEM applications and by companies like IPD Plenums.
To be realistic, the effects of any x-pipe would be small to where the any power gains or losses would not be felt. You can expect a smoother exhaust note and we have a wealth of tip options with customization available to have your tips built exactly how you see fit.
Here is our x-pipe in use on the fastest PCA Boxster around Watkins Glen!
-Mike
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09-03-2019, 01:54 PM
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IMHO... there is only so much "better sound" one could expect from any type of "X" design vs. OEM "T" design when combined gasses exit via some slightly larger ports (tips). How one can quantify "it's better" is so subjective... depends on so many other dynamics at the time of comparison (e.g., in your garage... outside with no reflecting surfaces... etc. etc.). My .02 is that if your wallet can handle paying just under $500 for some better looking tips... then go for it.. make yourself happy. I've done it with other rigs in the past when OEM tips were just not working for me (and even then, I didn't pay ~$300-$500 and I had them welded on to existing exit pipes.)
Unless one is willing to pay into a fuller type of solution... from full on headers, down pipes, mufflers (or Helmholtz resonators) and tips -- or -- "just an axle-back or cat-back" bolt-on solution, I don't think people should expect dramatic/significant increases in "better sound" from just a set of better looking tips and several inches of pipe. (Maybe I'm mis-interpreting the OP's intent with the post... but it seemed like the question centered around tips only; not a full or partial replacement exhaust system.
Unless one is willing to pay into a fuller type of solution... from full on headers, down pipes, mufflers (or Helmholtz resonators) and tips -- or -- "just an axle-back or cat-back" bolt-on solution, I don't think people should expect dramatic/significant increases in "better sound" from just a set of better looking tips and several inches of pipe. (Maybe I'm mis-interpreting the OP's intent with the post... but it seemed like the question centered around tips only; not a full or partial replacement exhaust system.
Yep my intent was to parse out some rhetoric. I just want better looking tips with little to no "harsher" sound coming from the exhaust. I am fine with the stock note now and am not looking for any "performance" gains.
I'll pay what my wallet can afford.
Thanks for all the comments.
09-03-2019, 09:48 PM
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Here is our x-pipe in use on the fastest PCA Boxster around Watkins Glen!
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09-04-2019, 02:35 PM
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I've had my 06 CS MT for a little over two years and I love it. But I hate the exhaust box in the back. Wife said it looked like an "alien head from War of the Worlds".
Can't have that, my ego cannot take such comments.
I searched the forums and didn't get much on the sound comparison between the...mostly three choices.
1. Fabspeed
2. Soul
3. aFe
Dream2 is no longer in business. I talked to them a couple of days ago.
These are the differences I see and I am not concerned in the least with performance gains but I love the stock sound as is. There are some comments on P9 but I'll state the differences I see. These are just observations as I have not physically seen any of them other than the internet posts.
1. Fabspeed. Appears to have a single radius tube to the tip, one for each bank, no intermix between the to exhaust banks.
2. Soul- Cross pipe design, assume some chamber intermix in the middle of the pipe.
3. aFe- Similar to the 981 tips in design, there is a cross bank tube with an inner tube to each tip inside the crossbank to direct the exhaust out.
I have a tendency to believe that Porsche intermixed the exhaust pulse to "quiet" the pulse slightly. That's a quess.
Like to hear anybody else's direct experiences and thoughts on the above. Given my assumptions I'm more likely to go with choice 2 or 3.
Thought's anyone?
Thanks in Advance.
Can't have that, my ego cannot take such comments.
I searched the forums and didn't get much on the sound comparison between the...mostly three choices.
1. Fabspeed
2. Soul
3. aFe
Dream2 is no longer in business. I talked to them a couple of days ago.
These are the differences I see and I am not concerned in the least with performance gains but I love the stock sound as is. There are some comments on P9 but I'll state the differences I see. These are just observations as I have not physically seen any of them other than the internet posts.
1. Fabspeed. Appears to have a single radius tube to the tip, one for each bank, no intermix between the to exhaust banks.
2. Soul- Cross pipe design, assume some chamber intermix in the middle of the pipe.
3. aFe- Similar to the 981 tips in design, there is a cross bank tube with an inner tube to each tip inside the crossbank to direct the exhaust out.
I have a tendency to believe that Porsche intermixed the exhaust pulse to "quiet" the pulse slightly. That's a quess.
Like to hear anybody else's direct experiences and thoughts on the above. Given my assumptions I'm more likely to go with choice 2 or 3.
Thought's anyone?
Thanks in Advance.
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09-04-2019, 05:11 PM
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Good to know. It makes total sense that it would have a "window" through the section given the dynamics. It isn't evident from any of the internet stuff.
Thanks for the informative video and the clarification.
Good to know. It makes total sense that it would have a "window" through the section given the dynamics. It isn't evident from any of the internet stuff.
Thanks for the informative video and the clarification.
09-04-2019, 07:10 PM
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Car is an 06 CS, bone stock.
The sound coming out of the back doesn't bother me. Just not happy with the looks of the tips, as I posted.
Acoustics are hard to quantify as someone else has posted. I don't want to waste my time installing it and then hate it. There are plenty of 981's around but not so many 987.1's with just the tips to sample the audio.
I just don't want to be on a long trip and end up hating the sound on part load at 3,200 RPM's.
The sound coming out of the back doesn't bother me. Just not happy with the looks of the tips, as I posted.
Acoustics are hard to quantify as someone else has posted. I don't want to waste my time installing it and then hate it. There are plenty of 981's around but not so many 987.1's with just the tips to sample the audio.
I just don't want to be on a long trip and end up hating the sound on part load at 3,200 RPM's.
09-05-2019, 11:12 AM
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Car is an 06 CS, bone stock.
The sound coming out of the back doesn't bother me. Just not happy with the looks of the tips, as I posted.
Acoustics are hard to quantify as someone else has posted. I don't want to waste my time installing it and then hate it. There are plenty of 981's around but not so many 987.1's with just the tips to sample the audio.
I just don't want to be on a long trip and end up hating the sound on part load at 3,200 RPM's.
The sound coming out of the back doesn't bother me. Just not happy with the looks of the tips, as I posted.
Acoustics are hard to quantify as someone else has posted. I don't want to waste my time installing it and then hate it. There are plenty of 981's around but not so many 987.1's with just the tips to sample the audio.
I just don't want to be on a long trip and end up hating the sound on part load at 3,200 RPM's.