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Old 07-20-2018, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PorscheAddict
Having driven both quite a bit, 987.2 base feels pretty close to 987.1S in the real world, especially with the PDK helping out.
What about PDK repair?
Heard that it can't be repaired - only replaced by new.

987.2 are pretty old, I cant exclude the possibility of failure
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They're statistically reliable, which is why nobody has taken the effort to repair them.
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Buy a 987.2!
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Originally Posted by PorscheAddict
They're statistically reliable, which is why nobody has taken the effort to repair them.
Spot on. As long as you maintain them properly and don't overheat them, they are seemingly bulletproof, like the VW DSG. It's all about keeping them cool and clean.
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Originally Posted by golfnutintib
Failure rates on the 06-08 Cayman IMS bearings are very low as I understand it. It is sometimes suggested an oil analysis for metal fragments be done which may shed light on whether bearing failure may likely occur.
Agreed. It's 1% at best guess. If you remove the grease seal off the original bearing, the factory bearing should last the lifetime of the engine.

Cylinder scoring is more common (and can be checked for at PPI easily).

Rod bearing failures on track are the #1 killer due to oil starvation and aeration.
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Ok! Now the question is the same but about 987.2 2.9. 300nm and 265 hp is more than enough for me.

What weak points does it have besides smoke during cold start? What causes the smoke?
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Originally Posted by Opposer
Ok! Now the question is the same but about 987.2 2.9. 300nm and 265 hp is more than enough for me.

What weak points does it have besides smoke during cold start? What causes the smoke?
Horizontally opposed engines have a tendency to pool oil in the cylinder bores and at startup, some of that oil makes it past the rings. Cold start doesn't help with the extra fuel enrichment to help start off the catalytic converters (fuel = cat food - not my phrase, but it's the truth). The extra fuel helps the catalytic converters warm up quicker to reduce emissions. On the flip side, the extra fuel washes down the bores and can lead to a bit of smoke at startup. Long drain intervals and fuel dilution also thin the oil out, causing more to get past the rings.

In an attempt to minimize this, Porsche pinned the second ring on the piston so the gap does not line up with the bottom of the bore (rings normally rotate in operation unless they are pinned).
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Originally Posted by Charles Navarro
Horizontally opposed engines have a tendency to pool oil in the cylinder bores and at startup, some of that oil makes it past the rings. Cold start doesn't help with the extra fuel enrichment to help start off the catalytic converters (fuel = cat food - not my phrase, but it's the truth). The extra fuel helps the catalytic converters warm up quicker to reduce emissions. On the flip side, the extra fuel washes down the bores and can lead to a bit of smoke at startup. Long drain intervals and fuel dilution also thin the oil out, causing more to get past the rings.

In an attempt to minimize this, Porsche pinned the second ring on the piston so the gap does not line up with the bottom of the bore (rings normally rotate in operation unless they are pinned).
so there is no big harm to the engine because of the startup smoke?
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Originally Posted by Opposer
so there is no big harm to the engine because of the startup smoke?
Nothing I would worry about if you have a PPI done and everything looks good with regards to compression and leakdown test results.
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Only negatives about my base 987.2 were that, compared to my base 981, it was......
1-too quiet. SOUL exhaust fixed that
2-6MT shifter was too vague. OEM short shifter solved that
3-throttle response on my non-sport Chrono car was unacceptable. Believe it or not Sprintbooster solved that
otherwise it pulls harder than my 981 did with 10 fewer hp, apparently, and it has better steering feel being hydraulic and all

wonderful car.

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Originally Posted by Opposer
so there is no big harm to the engine because of the startup smoke?


The 987.2 engines are pretty much bullet-proof.
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Originally Posted by 850tgul
Only negatives about my base 987.2 were that, compared to my base 981, it was......
1-too quiet. SOUL exhaust fixed that
2-6MT shifter was too vague. OEM shirt shifter solved that
3-throttle response on my non-sport Chrono car was unacceptable. Believe it or not Sprintbooster solved that
otherwise it pulls harder than my 981 did with 10 fewer hp, apparently, and it has better steering feel being hydraulic and all

wonderful car.


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In Russia S versions cost a tiny bit more than base ones (4k grand) and there are much more Ss than bases, so maybe it's better to go S?

Heard that 3.4 987.2 have direct injection. Do they suffer from carbonization? What are the countermeasures?
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Good thread since I was thinking about getting a 987.1 for the track. Any suggestions on good threads or blogs to read about oil starvation issues?

And yes, I've done searches...
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i checked the price of the most parts of the 987.2, not too expensive (my mileage is 2k a year approx).

What parts are the weak points of 987.2?


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