Porsche camaraderie?
#76
I hear Vancouver is the exotic car capital of North America with many driven by kids that are just barely legal to drive. Gotta wonder what having so much at such a young age does to someone. This NYT article from last year touches upon the subject:
"Chinese Scions' Song: My Daddy's Rich and My Lamborghini's Good-Looking"
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/13/w...nt-wealth.html
"Chinese Scions' Song: My Daddy's Rich and My Lamborghini's Good-Looking"
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/13/w...nt-wealth.html
#77
As a new owner I've actually been pleasantly surprised. I didn't expect to get nods, waves or acknowledgement from other Porsche drivers but almost every non-SUV that drives by gives me something. Granted there aren't many in my area so we're usually pretty easy to spot. I was previously a driver of a Subaru STi and it was unheard of to not wave to another STi driver. But as time went on and several different generations were on the road at the same time it became less and less prevalent. It's a cool community feeling when everyone is engaged but as others have mentioned when you happen to be in the same location in person, either on purpose or coincidence, having an actual conversation with someone is a more genuine measure of camaraderie to me.
#78
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I hear Vancouver is the exotic car capital of North America with many driven by kids that are just barely legal to drive. Gotta wonder what having so much at such a young age does to someone. This NYT article from last year touches upon the subject:
"Chinese Scions' Song: My Daddy's Rich and My Lamborghini's Good-Looking"
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/13/w...nt-wealth.html
"Chinese Scions' Song: My Daddy's Rich and My Lamborghini's Good-Looking"
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/13/w...nt-wealth.html
My Spyder and C2S often gather nary a nod in the city. They're not status cars. And what's interesting too is that in the local PCA club some of the younger Asian-descent members prefer short drives (20 mins?) and more stops to have a cigarette and talk cars. It's quite a different culture than guys like myself and other members that really love to go on 10 hour rips through the local mountains. But each to there own, right?
#79
Excellent read Nick and 100% true. I recognize the local Lamborghini showroom just down the block from my office.
My Spyder and C2S often gather nary a nod in the city. They're not status cars. And what's interesting too is that in the local PCA club some of the younger Asian-descent members prefer short drives (20 mins?) and more stops to have a cigarette and talk cars. It's quite a different culture than guys like myself and other members that really love to go on 10 hour rips through the local mountains. But each to there own, right?
My Spyder and C2S often gather nary a nod in the city. They're not status cars. And what's interesting too is that in the local PCA club some of the younger Asian-descent members prefer short drives (20 mins?) and more stops to have a cigarette and talk cars. It's quite a different culture than guys like myself and other members that really love to go on 10 hour rips through the local mountains. But each to there own, right?
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I'd be hesitant to use too broad a brush to paint an entire culture as non-enthusiasts. Some of my Asian buddies are the most die-hard, passionate, and knowledgeable car guys I know.
I'm reminded of a poor bloke on the 718 forum who has described in this thread the trials and tribulations of being a Porsche enthusiast in his neck of the woods:
https://rennlist.com/forums/718-foru...on-advise.html
He demonstrates a level of passion I'm not sure I could muster if I had the hurdles to overcome that he does. Not one dealer in his country. Asian taxes put the cost of his 718 Cayman at over $200K USD. He would have considered buying a used Cayman but there are only two in his country and used cars over 1.6 L can't be imported apparently. Was going to order a car, but with the tax structure changing annually, the longer he waited the greater the chance he would have to pay a ton more. Ultimately found a new Cayman in London he could ship in, albiet not his first-choice color. Couldn't have it wrapped in his own country upon receipt because there is no one in his country that does wraps. Had to find someone in London to wrap it before it was shipped to him. As he said:
"You have no idea what we have to go through to fulfil our passions. Every part even if it’s a oil filter I have to import from Dubai or London myself. If anything goes wrong I have to wait to import the part and then fix it. All these after paying 220k for a Cayman. Still nothing can stop us from fulfilling our dreams."
I'm reminded of a poor bloke on the 718 forum who has described in this thread the trials and tribulations of being a Porsche enthusiast in his neck of the woods:
https://rennlist.com/forums/718-foru...on-advise.html
He demonstrates a level of passion I'm not sure I could muster if I had the hurdles to overcome that he does. Not one dealer in his country. Asian taxes put the cost of his 718 Cayman at over $200K USD. He would have considered buying a used Cayman but there are only two in his country and used cars over 1.6 L can't be imported apparently. Was going to order a car, but with the tax structure changing annually, the longer he waited the greater the chance he would have to pay a ton more. Ultimately found a new Cayman in London he could ship in, albiet not his first-choice color. Couldn't have it wrapped in his own country upon receipt because there is no one in his country that does wraps. Had to find someone in London to wrap it before it was shipped to him. As he said:
"You have no idea what we have to go through to fulfil our passions. Every part even if it’s a oil filter I have to import from Dubai or London myself. If anything goes wrong I have to wait to import the part and then fix it. All these after paying 220k for a Cayman. Still nothing can stop us from fulfilling our dreams."
#81
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Our region of the PCA is truly composed of people from all genders, cultures, and walks of life.... and we're a better group for it.
#83
I was referring to the Chinese immigrants, not those of Asian descent. They still hold Chinese passports, that of a Communist country. Those in CA are Asian Americans and are not who Zeus993 and I are referring to.
There is a reason why African Americans can say the N word, but the rest of us can't.
Whoopsy, unotaz, mooty, Sam Li, Carter Yeung, Sean Fu, Jeffery Cheng, David Lee, Mike Yin, Jacky Mao and Dan are just a few of many Asian petrolheads.
There is a reason why African Americans can say the N word, but the rest of us can't.
Whoopsy, unotaz, mooty, Sam Li, Carter Yeung, Sean Fu, Jeffery Cheng, David Lee, Mike Yin, Jacky Mao and Dan are just a few of many Asian petrolheads.
#84
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I was referring to the Chinese immigrants, not those of Asian descent. They still hold Chinese passports, that of a Communist country. Those in CA are Asian Americans and are not who Zeus993 and I are referring to.
There is a reason why African Americans can say the N word, but the rest of us can't.
Whoopsy, unotaz, mooty, Sam Li, Carter Yeung, Sean Fu, Jeffery Cheng, David Lee, Mike Yin, Jacky Mao and Dan are just a few of many Asian petrolheads.
There is a reason why African Americans can say the N word, but the rest of us can't.
Whoopsy, unotaz, mooty, Sam Li, Carter Yeung, Sean Fu, Jeffery Cheng, David Lee, Mike Yin, Jacky Mao and Dan are just a few of many Asian petrolheads.
Can only repeat the sage words of SpyderSenseOC:
#87
Out running errands last weekend and I cross ways with a silver 997 911 Cabriolet. I wave and he looks at me and rolls his eyes and shakes his head as we pass. No wave back. LOL. No respect for the GT4. Oh well.
#88
Love this thread, I’ve done my fair share of flashes and waves...and equally experienced the mixed results in reciprocity. I will say this, in both my 997.2 TTS and GT3 now, many P-car owners reciprocates back in some way (well the GT3 is orange!!). That said, I must confess that I’ve NEVER flashed nor waved at a Cayenne, Panamera or Macan, just the 2-door Porsches. Maybe the reason many Cayenne, Macan and Panamera owners don’t reciprocate is because they aren’t shown enough love! LOL. (disclosure; I don’t flash them as there are just too many of them on the road in NY/NJ not out of some GT car snobbery).
#89
Burning Brakes
I think in terms of solutions... Porsche needs to put a different icon on the high beam stalk. The thumbs up and Like written underneath it. Suddenly that practice will come back.
Granted, the other card may get flashed too.... but hey, share the love I say.
Granted, the other card may get flashed too.... but hey, share the love I say.
#90
One thing I noticed is that when I had my 89 944S2 I got more nods then I do with my 987.2 Boxster. I also got a lot of thumbs up from non-Porsche drivers when I had my S2 then my Boxster. Guess the Boxster comes off of less of an “enthusiast” car then a restored S2... Either way I always give other P-Car owners a nod or wave, some return and some don’t. I find the guys that do, if we ever happen to pass in a parking lot we often strike up a conversation about our cars and common passion for all things Porsche.