Andy Ordonez

I'm also a Cayman R owner and agree with all of the above only since you stated that your 987.2 is staying. If that wasn't a prerequisite, then I'd say sell the Base, find an R and whichever 911 you can fit in the remaining budget!

DM

All the comments about the R have me thinking about replacing my base Cayman. I do like the idea of a CS or CR 987.2 with PASM. But I've never seen an R for sale with PASM.

Right now I am not driving my Cayman on really long road trips with the 19" rims – I would think the PASM would help with the ride on long cruises, especially with the DSC controllers I'm reading about.

Have any of you folks driven a 2012 Cayman S Black edition and compared it to your R's?

A432

Yes, I've owned and tracked a 987.2 S, Cayman R and driven the black and it felt exactly like my S to me (my S had an optional LSD like the black)

That's nothing against the black and if you want PASM and can't find an S, the black is a good alternative. Before black owners get upset regarding the claimed 10 hp bump,

we tested the spyder/S/R/black on the dyno and Porsche was not lying about the 330hp, but they weren't being totally honest about the differences. The Porsche marketing machine plays games.

Andy Ordonez

The R never came with PASM, which to me is a good thing. Yes, it's more stiff than an S, but not uncomfortably so (subjective, of course). For a second opinion, my wife has no issues with riding in the R whenever we go out, and she is fairly sensitive to a harsh ride. I hope you find an R that I know you'll love!

garfunkle

There's a lot to unpack here. The Cayman R would be less ideal for road trips for most people - Completely dependent on your thresholds. Cayman R's mostly have X73 because that is the best suited OEM setup for that variant! PASM is good but with the DSC controller it is incredible! I have it on my 991 with lowering springs and even though it is still a pretty compliant ride, the confidence and grip is next level. In comfort with the controller it may be too soft.

Just swapped my 19's to 18's with a little more sidewall and the ride comfort with CONTINENTAL EXTREMECONTACT SPORT is very good! If you love everything else then this may be worth it to consider.

If you're really looking for a road trip cayman - the 981 is way better at that.

A432

Agree with the above with a couple additional points. You can reprogram the DSC to exactly where you like it. (non-R)

I like road tripping my partial interior R with Recaro Profi (sport buckets are by Recaro) because I was disappointed by how quiet and insulated my 987.2 S was......

it's about as loud now inside as a Lotus Exige etc. and has a more rear engined sound which was what I was going for......that makes it a blast to me.....individual preferences.

MXA121

I own a black edition with PASM. I prefer the Cayman R suspension. It sits the right height. I have since installed Ohlins. (I agree PASM with DSC box is magic *on factory springs)
The black edition shares the 7500 rpm and 330hp of the R, which is the key benefit. Other than that it all comes down to options. Mine came fitted with PCCB, Carbon Buckets, LSD, etc which made it more desirable to me than the Rs on the market. I can do without the wing.

I still think if you love your 987.2 base, keep it and add a 997.2 Carrera. Then you can experience the larger flat 6 in a different balanced car. I don't think the value diff between your Cayman and an R is worth the $$$.

A432

Just want to clarify for accurate info. on the forum, all the 987.2's 3.4's have the same 7500rpm limiter (7456rpm to be exact), the difference is the sport package has a hard vs. soft limiter

regarding the 330hp, at the risk of offending some, there isn't a 10hp diff on the dyno, but the good news is all the cars baseline at 330+ bhp (so that shouldn't be a driver)

garfunkle

more details on your interior please.

A432

Thanks, I'll do a separate thread on it to keep this one OT

tq.3z

I've driven my car from Louisiana to Cali and multiple long road trips to the bay area and Arizona - the 981 has more cabin room but the rest of the car is largely the same. I don't think its "way" better, of course driver size, cabin preference etc will vary but its not like the 987 can't do the job about as well.

The problem with the 981 cayman is it is more "GT car" than the 987 was, and to me, loses part of its charm.

MXA121

Forgive me, it makes an additional 10 hp at 200 higher RPM than a conventional S, but both redline at 7500. The additional power has been attributed to the R's exhaust system. Unsure if Porsche fiddled with the ECU or not.

A432

I'm trying to help you understand that what you think is only Porsche marketing, I've tested the cars and the exhaust and they put out the same power at the same RPM.....you could overlay the plots

DM

Well a good friend and retired racer in PCA club world is recommending a G-50 Carrera (87 - 89). Who knows what I'll end up with – it's all good.

MXA121

All we ever buy is Porsche Marketing... At the end of the day, spec sheet still says 330hp 😋

That would be a nice alternative. Good luck on the search!