Buying a CPO 981 Boxster S, but PPI not an option..
08-12-2020, 04:36 PM
#1
Buying a CPO 981 Boxster S, but PPI not an option..
Hey guys!
I've searched in the forums for a generic case of 'should I be doing a PPI on a CPO car?' and the answer is yes, yes you should if you can.
However, I live in the Seattle/Bellevue area and ALL the reputable porsche shops here are either severely backed up (at LEAST 3 weeks until they can schedule a PPI) or not picking up their phone at all (tried 3 days in a row now..).
There's a 2013 boxster S with 28k miles on it. I'll be paying 2700 dollars to a local porsche dealer for them to CPO the car. Some porsche indie shops have said that the CPO program goes through a very rigorous inspection so I should be okay, and I can schedule a PPI a month later for that 2nd check for my peace of mind.
I'm curious if you guys would recommend the same. Should I just buy the car as CPO, and not worry so much about it? These cars have been selling within 2-3 days of listing, probably because people buying them don't care for getting a PPI for them. At the very least it's a CPO car so if anything MAJOR goes wrong, it'd be covered. Any thoughts are appreciated!
I've searched in the forums for a generic case of 'should I be doing a PPI on a CPO car?' and the answer is yes, yes you should if you can.
However, I live in the Seattle/Bellevue area and ALL the reputable porsche shops here are either severely backed up (at LEAST 3 weeks until they can schedule a PPI) or not picking up their phone at all (tried 3 days in a row now..).
There's a 2013 boxster S with 28k miles on it. I'll be paying 2700 dollars to a local porsche dealer for them to CPO the car. Some porsche indie shops have said that the CPO program goes through a very rigorous inspection so I should be okay, and I can schedule a PPI a month later for that 2nd check for my peace of mind.
I'm curious if you guys would recommend the same. Should I just buy the car as CPO, and not worry so much about it? These cars have been selling within 2-3 days of listing, probably because people buying them don't care for getting a PPI for them. At the very least it's a CPO car so if anything MAJOR goes wrong, it'd be covered. Any thoughts are appreciated!
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8378hjlafdljfads (08-28-2020)
08-12-2020, 05:22 PM
#2
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It sounds like the car is with a Porsche dealer. What about asking the dealer to pull the over rev report (DME report) on the car? This can be done easily by the dealer and you can see the over rev history of the car. If the car has not been over revved much, the chances for damages in the engine internals will diminish. Porsche is not supposed to CPO over revved cars, but I have read this might not always be the case. This and a solid service history should give you peace of mind.
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Last_935 (08-13-2020)
08-12-2020, 05:37 PM
#3
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cpo should keep you clean on internals, wear items and electronics.
perhaps the dealer could add an attestation to original panels, paint, and frame integrity.
You should be able to put a refundable deposit down and perhaps negotiate this before closing
or just bring a paint meter if youre local.
check their online reviews for further color.
disclaimer i bought my cpo car fly n drive 500 miles with a facetime walk around and paint check.
someone may show up here with a cpo horror story but my guess is the odds are heavily against that.
perhaps the dealer could add an attestation to original panels, paint, and frame integrity.
You should be able to put a refundable deposit down and perhaps negotiate this before closing
or just bring a paint meter if youre local.
check their online reviews for further color.
disclaimer i bought my cpo car fly n drive 500 miles with a facetime walk around and paint check.
someone may show up here with a cpo horror story but my guess is the odds are heavily against that.
08-12-2020, 05:41 PM
#4
It sounds like the car is with a Porsche dealer. What about asking the dealer to pull the over rev report (DME report) on the car? This can be done easily by the dealer and you can see the over rev history of the car. If the car has not been over revved much, the chances for damages in the engine internals will diminish. Porsche is not supposed to CPO over revved cars, but I have read this might not always be the case. This and a solid service history should give you peace of mind.
cpo should keep you clean on internals, wear items and electronics.
perhaps the dealer could add an attestation to original panels, paint, and frame integrity.
You should be able to put a refundable deposit down and perhaps negotiate this before closing
or just bring a paint meter if youre local.
check their online reviews for further color.
disclaimer i bought my cpo car fly n drive 500 miles with a facetime walk around and paint check.
someone may show up here with a cpo horror story but my guess is the odds are heavily against that.
perhaps the dealer could add an attestation to original panels, paint, and frame integrity.
You should be able to put a refundable deposit down and perhaps negotiate this before closing
or just bring a paint meter if youre local.
check their online reviews for further color.
disclaimer i bought my cpo car fly n drive 500 miles with a facetime walk around and paint check.
someone may show up here with a cpo horror story but my guess is the odds are heavily against that.
08-12-2020, 06:25 PM
#6
Rennlist Member
08-12-2020, 06:36 PM
#7
Great! I am certainly leaning towards just buying it. As someone who's a bit paranoid about this kinda thing, this helps immensely. It sucks that all the porsche shops are unavailable, it's sort of frustrating - but I think I'll schedule one a month out (soonest they'll schedule) AFTER the purchase for that peace of mind and just in general, knowing more about the car. Thanks for the input guys!
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08-12-2020, 08:03 PM
#8
If you're buying a PDK car at a Porsche dealer and they're CPO'ing it, I wouldn't worry as much about the PPI for mechanicals because anything that is not right should be covered.
What I would try and find is either a detailer or a Rennlist member that can check the car for you. This would have saved me a lot of headache when I bought a previous 997 out of state. Dealer told me they paint metered the car and there was no paintwork, and also that the car had a clear bra. Both were incorrect when I inspected the car in person. Pay either of those people $100 and you should have a very solid transaction.
Also keep in mind I would not rely on the CPO criteria to mean that you have a car that is up to date on service completely. I have seen plenty of cases with filters not being changed. In my case, my drive belt was not changed and I had to go after the selling dealer to pay my dealer to do it.
What I would try and find is either a detailer or a Rennlist member that can check the car for you. This would have saved me a lot of headache when I bought a previous 997 out of state. Dealer told me they paint metered the car and there was no paintwork, and also that the car had a clear bra. Both were incorrect when I inspected the car in person. Pay either of those people $100 and you should have a very solid transaction.
Also keep in mind I would not rely on the CPO criteria to mean that you have a car that is up to date on service completely. I have seen plenty of cases with filters not being changed. In my case, my drive belt was not changed and I had to go after the selling dealer to pay my dealer to do it.
08-12-2020, 08:21 PM
#9
I agree with what others have said... PDK eliminates over-rev concerns, CPO will take cake of most other concerns, except accident/panel repair. If possible, take a paint meter to the panels to alleviate the accident/paint concern.
If it helps, I used a 'delayed' PPI strategy on my 958.2 CTT. I scheduled a PPI two months prior to the CPO expiration at a trusted indy. He found only a minor item and Porsche replaced the A/C vent under CPO warranty.
If it helps, I used a 'delayed' PPI strategy on my 958.2 CTT. I scheduled a PPI two months prior to the CPO expiration at a trusted indy. He found only a minor item and Porsche replaced the A/C vent under CPO warranty.
08-13-2020, 01:38 PM
#10
I recently got a CPO Cayman GTS from a reputable Porsche dealer and decided to get a PPI done by an independent shop specializing in Porsches (called EU Autowerks). However, in hindsight I didn't find the PPI to be helpful. I think it's a YMMV (your mileage may vary) situation where the value of the PPI really depends on the shop. My experience was:
- This was the second time I used this independent shop. I was not impressed the first time, and I had no choice but to use them again this time due to proximity to the dealer.
- The shop didn't have a paint depth meter apparently, so I borrowed a paint depth meter from the dealership and did my own checks all over. You may want to consider doing the same too. It's not hard and nothing beats verifying yourself.
- The shop also really messed up the brake rotor and pad measurements (how hard is it?!). I sent the report to the dealership, and after re-inspecting the brakes, the dealer couldn't understand how they came up with the measurements. Ultimately just resulted in a triangular communication between me, the shop, and the dealer trying to figure out who measured the brakes fairly. Frustrating.
- Shop also diagnosed a exhaust leak based on 'evidence of soot', but again the dealer couldn't find the issue. Shop won't talk to the dealer, yet I am not there to observe myself. Again, the PPI process created more frustration than anything.
08-18-2020, 04:44 PM
#11
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Re: Over revs and PDK.
I looked at a '15 GTS & a '14 S at the same used car shop. The S had 19K miles vs the GTS having 35 or 40K and a $10K higher price. Both were Caymans with PDK. The '14 S had no overspeeds. The '15 GTS had over 1,000 zone 1s - hundreds of zone 2s, and a few zone 3s. (I forget if the actual name is "zone", but you know what I mean.) I wanted the GTS, but the combination of miles, gen. condition, price, and overspeeds equaled 4 strikes. I have been a very 'happy camper' CS owner for about 1 1/2 years. I think I remember reading somewhere how a PDK can "overspeed", but I don't remember where I read it. Maybe it just shows touching the limiter, or possibly that the limiter has been raised.
I looked at a '15 GTS & a '14 S at the same used car shop. The S had 19K miles vs the GTS having 35 or 40K and a $10K higher price. Both were Caymans with PDK. The '14 S had no overspeeds. The '15 GTS had over 1,000 zone 1s - hundreds of zone 2s, and a few zone 3s. (I forget if the actual name is "zone", but you know what I mean.) I wanted the GTS, but the combination of miles, gen. condition, price, and overspeeds equaled 4 strikes. I have been a very 'happy camper' CS owner for about 1 1/2 years. I think I remember reading somewhere how a PDK can "overspeed", but I don't remember where I read it. Maybe it just shows touching the limiter, or possibly that the limiter has been raised.
08-18-2020, 05:44 PM
#12
Hi
no a Pdk can’t over rev
2 year service history is recommendation or 20k miles
in Europe Porsche dealer do a 111 point check for @ 300 euro , that either puts a warranty on it if dealer sold or qualify a an owner to take out Porsche warranty , where are they going with Al OST 3k for a check over ???, I’ve gotten Porsche specialists to PPI a car again for @300 yo yos
no a Pdk can’t over rev
2 year service history is recommendation or 20k miles
in Europe Porsche dealer do a 111 point check for @ 300 euro , that either puts a warranty on it if dealer sold or qualify a an owner to take out Porsche warranty , where are they going with Al OST 3k for a check over ???, I’ve gotten Porsche specialists to PPI a car again for @300 yo yos
08-18-2020, 08:11 PM
#13
I wouldn't worry about PPI on a CPO at all...waste of $700-800 imo(that's about what Porsche dealers charge in So Cal)
I bought a 40K mile Cayman from a Lexus dealership and couldn't get a PPI due to it being 500 miles away and time constraints...it came with a 3000 mile 90 day warranty from Lexus so I wasn't too worried about it...It just had its 40K service done at Porsche also, so that helped....I took it to a local Indy guy who took a look at her when I got home after leaking oil drain plug and he said she was a peach besides the bad drain plug washer....Lexus paid the bill btw.
like I said I wouldn't waste the money of a PPI with a CPO car that should be solid and under warranty
I bought a 40K mile Cayman from a Lexus dealership and couldn't get a PPI due to it being 500 miles away and time constraints...it came with a 3000 mile 90 day warranty from Lexus so I wasn't too worried about it...It just had its 40K service done at Porsche also, so that helped....I took it to a local Indy guy who took a look at her when I got home after leaking oil drain plug and he said she was a peach besides the bad drain plug washer....Lexus paid the bill btw.
like I said I wouldn't waste the money of a PPI with a CPO car that should be solid and under warranty
08-18-2020, 09:36 PM
#14
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Bought a '16 CPO Cayman S last Labor Day, 12k miles. Figr'd any issues would be covered so no worries, heck...didn't even ask for Service History (not at all familiar w Porsche's so didnt really know it was kinda SOP).
Had PPI done a month or so later at indy shop, all was perfect and it's the most entertaining car ever I've ever owned. Wish I'd known about the 4 year service though, maybe coulda negotiated that in purchase a bit as had to have it done 6 months later...doh!
Dealer did call a month after sale to tell me they had 4 new tires for me under CPO...I had mentioned it during purchase but hadn't been overly concerned. Guess it all depends on dealer perhaps? If you trust 'em I'd guess no issues.
Had PPI done a month or so later at indy shop, all was perfect and it's the most entertaining car ever I've ever owned. Wish I'd known about the 4 year service though, maybe coulda negotiated that in purchase a bit as had to have it done 6 months later...doh!
Dealer did call a month after sale to tell me they had 4 new tires for me under CPO...I had mentioned it during purchase but hadn't been overly concerned. Guess it all depends on dealer perhaps? If you trust 'em I'd guess no issues.
08-19-2020, 02:24 PM
#15
Fwiw, you could try a service like Lemon Squad - https://lemonsquad.com/. I used them last year for a car I was look at in Florida. Weren't many good options available for PPI in this particular area. They are not Porsche specialists, but the report I got was very detailed and had enough info in it to make me change my mind about buying that particular car.