flash968

i have people sending me stuff all the time - some for review - some as a result of endorsement agreements and sponsorships - some as a result of advertising arrangements - i've had my cars and myself sponosored for decades by dozens of companies - in no case do i say anything i don't believe - i would prefer to buy something rather than have to settle for a lesser product just because it was free - i don't need free stuff - i have a relatively unlimited budget when it comes to this car, so that does not play into any coloring of comment

sending me something assures only one thing - if i like it, people will hear about it - if i don't, they'll often hear that too

by the way, and for the record, i bought both my exhaust system from pete, and my strut tower brace from kla, just like everybody else - there were no agreements or arrangements with either, so perhaps checking facts before making accusations without foundation is in order - my endorsement of those products is based entirely on their performance and my satisfaction with the products and the vendors

i have no such experience with dynatech, and therefore have no comment on them or their products - from what i've seen and heard, i think their brace is fine, and certainly attractive - my only real comment was with regard to my personal opinions on the marketing- it's too bad they quit - perhaps if the price was lower, they could have nailed the market, and still be expanding - perhaps even outsourcing and using automation - who knows? that's their choice for their reasons

i do understand about the free time though - the projects i'm involved with take a lot of time, and i'm not in business for that - perhaps he will revisit this later

Damian in NJ

Scott, just call the stb a chassis stiffener, that's all.

RajDatta

Funny, I guess you are ok with very high prices from other vendors. Same double standard as usual.
Raj

John Etnier

I'm just very sorry that my mention of the KLA brace has ignited this tiresome flamefest.

Anyone want to talk about the site itself?

Damian in NJ

too funny 'there are nicer looking braces out there, for sure, but nothing that works any better, regardless of the materials or design' followed by ' i have no such experience with dynatech, and therefore have no comment on them or their products' Sure reads like you're saying the Dynatech brace is not better than KLA.

flash968

i have no idea where you guys draw these conclusions, but i have to assume a large bottle is involved - since i have no interest in another pissing contest with you, and since that is all you seem to be interested in, i will close with this:

go back and reread what i wrote without inserting your own ideas - read it verbatum

as far as pricing goes, if there is competition, then i would have the same marketing thoughts, regardless of product or vendor - in fact, i have had that conversation with pete too - basic marketing says it is unwise to price things higher than the competitive market will bear if you want all the sales possible if you seek exclusivity, then that is different - if you aren't after all the sales, then that is different - in the case of pete's system, there is no competition, so of course i have no problem paying his price - no double standard at all

as i said, not frunctionally, no i don't think the brace is any better than the KLA - i find that highly improbable, given the weakness of the chassis mounting point itself - in another car, perhaps, but not in this one - that does not mean that i am in any way desparaging the dynatech brace - quite the contrary - as i have always said, if cosmetics are a concern, then it is the more appropriate choice currently available (or at least was) - if it was priced closer to the KLA, i would have chosen it instead - i quite possibly still would, and even contemplated getting in on the group buy, until i read the recent posts on it and the cancellation - i still want something more attractive myself

dynatech

Pete,
Your right, sorry, all I said was why not ask you about what you had told me about the brace seeing how you and flash been talking a lot lately, I said nothing else about the products you sell (which is very exciting for all of us), I have not stated that you have given anything away, but you are right the private discussions we've had are just that, private. that was a cheasy thing for me to say.


Flash,
Again it just show's how much you dont now, how in the hell do you think we could get the cost on the brace down to close to the cheap brace, you dont think we used CNC machines, you dont think we searched around for cheaper vendors, you treat us like we are Idiots, the design and the material is what made it expensive, Next time I will be sure to get you involved from the get go, just to be sure we are doing everything right and its approved by you.

luckett

What is the "engineering data" that you have available that leads you to this conclusion? Have you actually measured the deflection of the shock towers under load?

Are you saying that there is no functional benefit to adding a strut brace or a
am I misinterpreting you?

flash968

misinterpreting - i was saying that i saw no advantage of one brace over the other, and that the car itself ws the limiting factor there - there is a site that has the data for the brace - i didn't need to measure anything

luckett

Where is the site that has the engineering data for the strut brace?

flash968

a good deal of it is at the kla site - the rest i got straight from ken

luckett

thanks. good info there.