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I recently ordered a bunch of parts to update many of the "wear" parts on my 1994 968. The following parts have been delivered but I've not yet installed them. In fact, I can get by and may not even need all of them but, while I'm in there, I thought "Why not?" Sooner or later they will wear out and after almost 70k miles, I might as well. Can you do a similar update cheaper? Absolutely as I'm also replacing bolts and gaskets, etc. that may still be fine. These are all Porsche parts or Porsche OEM. I just thought the list might be interesting to those of you who are looking for a listing and get confused between 944 parts lists and 968 lists. The dealer checked this list over and made some changes so I'm banking on it being accurate.

The following prices are what were charged to me on 4/28/05 and subject to change and do not include handling charges, freight/shipping, rush orders from Germany, etc (For me, that was about an additional $150.00 or so). Different dealers will have differing prices and, in some cases, there may be product quality differences. Almost all of the above parts were purchased from a Porsche dealership. No guarantees are made as to accuracy of the list. I'm not a great typist. Please double-check with the PET listings and the dealer you work with before ordering. Also, you may not want all these parts but here they are just in case. Good luck on your belt and waterpump rebuild!

Balance shaft belt (polyrib) 944 102 219 04 $81.71
Camshaft drive timing belt 944 105 232 02 $74.14
Balance shaft tensioner Roller 944 102 025 07 $16.05
Balance Tension Roller 944-102-277-06 $19.62
Tensioner stud (or oil pump?) 944 102 216 01 $4.44 (This isn’t listed as a 968 part but is a good no. for part used on 944’s. I won’t know if it fits 968 until I get in there)
Intermediate shaft O-ring 999 701 652 40 Two @ $1.97 ea
Timing belt roller 944 105 631 10 $57.21
Timing belt tensioner 944 105 172 03 $83.98
Camshaft belt tensioner roller 944 105 241 02 $27.98
Camshaft belt roller 944-105-241-04 (new number)$27.98
Camshaft oil seal #1 999 113 282 40 $15.17
Plastic camshaft seal #2 944 105 321 00 Three @ .42 ea (these are the small wafer thin gaskets, 3 needed)
Camshaft rubber oil seal #3 999 113 424 40 (30x48x7) $16.30
Camshaft rubber oil seal #4 999 113 425 40 (30x47x7) $14.85
Crankshaft seal 999 113 331 40 $10.77
Crank 0 ring 999-707-283-40 $1.91
Thermostat w/gasket 944-106-019-00 $5.10
Thermostat Thin gasket also needed 944-106-929-05 $1.07
Thermostat snap ring (Circlip) 900 042 025 01 $1.10
Thermostat O-Ring 951 106 155 00 $5.10 (Note: this is often pressed into new/rebuilt water pumps for cam tensioner
Oil Supply Tube 944-105-167-06 One @ $151.63 (I passed on this one)
Copper oil supply tube seal rings 900-123-050-30 Two @ .32 ea.
Cam chain 944-105-501-05 $22.52
Cam chain tensioner pads/guides 944-105-509-00 Two @ $19.45 ea. (these are two “uppers” that apparently are used both top and bottom by most people since the lower pad with a different number are sold only with the complete cam chain tensioner unit)
Woodruff key for balance shafts n-012-708-2 Two @ .31 ea
Woodruff key for crank shaft 900-117-036-00 .51
Bolt hex head 900-075-043-02 (M10x30) Two @ .51 ea
Bolt hex head N 010 445 2 (M10x45) .60
Locking nut 900 910 034 02 (M 10) $1.66
Washers N-011-527-12 (A 10, 5) Two @ .13 ea
Water Heater control valve 928-574-573-03 $46.42
Valve/Cam Cover rubber grommets for bolts Thirteen @ .93 each
999 707 283 40 O-ring $1.91
999 707 875 40 O-ring $1.12
999 707 078 40 O-ring $1.12
928 144 443 08 Tower Plug Gaskets Four @ $1.85 each
Valve Cover or Cam Tower Gasket $12.72
Porsche Remanufactured Waterpump Kit w/thermostat and bolts $174.87
928 106-921 XX Waterpump gasket $16.67
968 Flywheel Lock Paragon alt #000 721 920 61 $99.00
Balance shaft locking bar (tool) $44.95

Damian in NJ

Thanks, it's nice to have a real time price list; they do jump up a lot.

NeedPorscheSpeed

Thanks for posting this list, Hughett. I, also, have ordered a lot of parts lately, and may have to do the same for the benefit of the list.

H2

Johnathan....I thought I was overboard on parts....but you've got quite an impressive stable of cars there! Wow.

Yes...I'm **** about the 968 (as well as the 928). I also have purchased (off eBay mostly at reasonable prices) spare brains and relays for most of the cars functions. I understand that the 968 doesn't need these as much as the 928 does, but......many people who drive the 928 own a spare brain or so. When they go bad, they're expensive to replace...and they're not cheap. When I travel on longer trips, I take major parts with me...just in case. I hate the thought of being stranded for days in Resume Speed, Iowa waiting for parts that may cost me an arm and a leg to fed ex in when I have my back to the wall.

Plus...I figure that it's money well spent since the prices on these parts will never go down...but rather will increase in value...so not only do I have spare parts on hand, but I have an investment in them. When/if I sell a car, I can sell the parts for near what I paid for them or, more likely, more than I paid with the way they're going up (Go price a 968 fog light). Good 928/968 critical parts may be good investments. That's just my take. However, with my record, if I were to start selling hats...tomorrow's kids would be born without heads.

Parts that go bad pretty often on the 928 may start down the same route a few years from now when our 968s get a few more years on them. ****? Yes, even I'd admit that. Remember the Boy Scout motto...Be Prepared! Plus...with luck, I'll still own these cars when I die. Just hope I don't die IN THEM. A friend recently rolled his '91 928 GT at the Spokane 928 Track Attack. Luckily he wasn't hurt...and he now has LOTS of spare parts. Luckily, he has a spare car too. Don't you just love Porsche front engined cars?

Harvey

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A friend just commented..."You mean you just spent more on parts to do a Tbelt/waterpump job on your 968 than would be required to buy a 914 or older 924 or 944?" That's not quite true but the message is clear. By the time I get the 968 up to perfection, it will be true though.

Harvey

NeedPorscheSpeed

Harvey!!! Hey buddy! You and I have been discussing Variocam tensioner pads on a different board (I won't mention the name of it out of respect for John D. and Rennlist) where you have a different name.

Thanks very much!



I fully agree on both counts!

Absolutely! A little too much, some might say.

H2

Jonathan,

It's pretty obvious that your garage is missing another Porsche front engined car...the 928. If you're careful and do a good PPI, there are some bargains out there. There also are some that will kill you with fix-up costs. However, the power if awesome....I get 147mph in 4th gear and one geat to go (on the Spokane Raceway). Not enough room to explore the top end. I really like the handling of the 968...and they track really well but the luxury and sheer power of the 928 make it worth exploring. Keep your eyes open.

The Audi TT 225 Turbo is just a really nice looking VW in my mind although I suspect it would keep up with the 968 (up to 90mph or so). Not much time....not much money...too many really interesting cars.

Harvey

NeedPorscheSpeed

Harvey,

I have long desired to get a 5-spd GT or GTS... Also, a nice S or S4 would be great, too. The one thing that scares me though is maintenance of that monstrous engine. The thought occured to me a couple of days ago while I was replacing my camshafts, timing chain, and pads that the work would have been double on the 928... Let me know via PM either here or the other forum if you know of a well-maintained one that needs a good home.

H2

When I was quoted $265 for a new driver's side fog light for the 968, I started thinking that the 928 may not be all that expensive to maintain! (and I just need the lens because of a small chip). But if you watch eBay you can get most of the parts reasonably.

I don't know of a well-maintained 928 and, you're right,you have to be very careful on the purchase. Most figure that within the first year they will have to spend 25% of the purchase price on fixiing it up or $2500 or so. Obviously this depends on the car and the condition varies widely. Even if the car only has 10k miles on it and has been gararged all it's life the same applies since all the rubber and belts need to be replaced...at about $2500.

Of course, other repairs can really hurt. Torque Tube Thrust bearing failure (auto trans only) is a sometimes gotcha that ruins the block beyond repair. Or, like the 968, driving an ill-maintained one home from buying it and having the T-belt break....toasts the engine. The other things that you have to look for are leaking steering racks...common, any wreck damage is always expensive to fix...often more than the car is worth on the market...etc, etc. etc. If you go to the 928 list serve and do a search, you can find lots of checklists on buying a 928. If you buy from an enthusiast who's kept the car up, has all the receipts, and has replaced all the pricey stuff already, there are some bargains to be had....but probably only if the owner is frustrated and is experiencing "That's the last straw repair" syndrome. However, once the little stuff is fixed, the engines themselves tend to go forever if maintained. 200k-250k miles on a 928 engine is not uncommon. Also, daily driver cars tend to have fewer problems than those that are occasionally used. One problem with 928 buys is that most owners will have spent more money on the car (by far) than the blue book value and they're reluctant to sell for blue book prices. Sometimes to overpay is not bad...if you KNOW the car is sound and that a lot of expensive repairs have been done in the not too distant past. However, personally, I won't buy a car whose engine has blown and has been repaired. Also, most Porsche dealers/private garages don't have much experience repairing them so they CLAIM to be able to but often do more damage than good. They're not harder to maintain than the 968 but maybe more frequent repairs..but that may be largely due to 968s not being as old. Also, expect to pay out the nose for GTs and GTSs. They don't come cheap.....yet.

The T-belt arrangement on the 928 is clunky and requires regular and careful watching and maintainance....not too unlike the 968.

Would I ever sell my 928? Probably not. Like many others I have too much invested in it and it's a genuine kick in the pants to drive. The g force factor alone is worth something. However, there is one essential. Get a complete PPI done by a COMPETENT AND EXPERIENCED WITH 928S MECHANIC that you can trust to do a good job. Will I get another 928? Yes...in a heartbeat. I'm saving now as I work to cherry out my great 968 (which is fun to drive too...the 968 handling is unbeatable).

Harvey