1991 Porsche 965 Turbo 39,960 miles
02-03-2014, 11:09 PM
#91
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Big reds then, add $1500 bucks . Buy some Speedlines or BBS Motorsport wheels if you'd like. Make it a 3.6 or 3.8 with a bigger turbo if it thills you. Big deal. They're essentially the same car. Last of the air cooled rear wheel el drive turbos. Both are awesome.
Rarity? Don't make yourself sick over it.
964 Turbo 3.3 - 3,660 made.
964 Turbo 3.6 1,437 made.
Rarity? Don't make yourself sick over it.
964 Turbo 3.3 - 3,660 made.
964 Turbo 3.6 1,437 made.
02-04-2014, 04:07 AM
#92
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A few more differences here in this list from my website
The new engine M64/50 produced 360 bhp @ 5,000 rpm raising top speed to 175 mph and lowering 0-60 to 4.6 seconds. Torque increased to 520nm @4.200 rpm which solved the 3.3 cars lack of off – boost performance . Substantial brake and suspension upgrades were included. The Big Red brake calipers were introduced along with larger brake pads. The suspension upgrade included MO30 as standard (except for USA), this lowered ride height by 20mm. The rear axle was changed to the Carrera RS type. Limited slip differential (20%) upgraded with carbon plate. The 3.6 model now featured the iconic 18 “Speedline for Porsche” split rim alloy wheels with low profile tyres.
new CIS fuel injection system,
uprated oil cooler,
LUK flywheel,
new air bags as standard,
updated air conditioning system,
new camshafts,
higher boost pressure (0.9)
The new engine M64/50 produced 360 bhp @ 5,000 rpm raising top speed to 175 mph and lowering 0-60 to 4.6 seconds. Torque increased to 520nm @4.200 rpm which solved the 3.3 cars lack of off – boost performance . Substantial brake and suspension upgrades were included. The Big Red brake calipers were introduced along with larger brake pads. The suspension upgrade included MO30 as standard (except for USA), this lowered ride height by 20mm. The rear axle was changed to the Carrera RS type. Limited slip differential (20%) upgraded with carbon plate. The 3.6 model now featured the iconic 18 “Speedline for Porsche” split rim alloy wheels with low profile tyres.
new CIS fuel injection system,
uprated oil cooler,
LUK flywheel,
new air bags as standard,
updated air conditioning system,
new camshafts,
higher boost pressure (0.9)
02-04-2014, 01:02 PM
#93
Rennlist Member
Im With Cobalt here,
The 3.6 will command more then the 3.3, not there is anything wrong with the 3.3 its just that the 3.6 is more exclusive. Less built, exclusive wheels, more capacity. It just has more. It fills the gap between the 3.3 and the 3.6S. None the less they are all fantastic cars and represent Porsche development.
On that note we had a 3.6 turbo in our shop last week. As part of a customers collection (26,000km 964RS, 21,000km 1983 928, 39,000 km 1991 944 turbo and a 1986 944 turbo with 23,000km) This 964 turbo has just over 5000kms (3100miles) on the clock. Its a fantastic piece of history. It gets driven once a year to the workshop for a service and then back into the collection it goes.
Regards
Sean
The 3.6 will command more then the 3.3, not there is anything wrong with the 3.3 its just that the 3.6 is more exclusive. Less built, exclusive wheels, more capacity. It just has more. It fills the gap between the 3.3 and the 3.6S. None the less they are all fantastic cars and represent Porsche development.
On that note we had a 3.6 turbo in our shop last week. As part of a customers collection (26,000km 964RS, 21,000km 1983 928, 39,000 km 1991 944 turbo and a 1986 944 turbo with 23,000km) This 964 turbo has just over 5000kms (3100miles) on the clock. Its a fantastic piece of history. It gets driven once a year to the workshop for a service and then back into the collection it goes.
Regards
Sean
+1. I'm tired of hearing the same nonsense about the 3.6's being so much more exclusive. As if they made 10000 3.3's and 100 3.6's and there are so many more differences. Wheels - big deal. Easy upgrade and correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't some 3.3's been optioned from the factory with Speedlines? Brakes - OK - but relatively straightforward upgrade. 3.6 vs 3.3 - OK got me there, but honestly, from what I understand, a 3.3 can be made as fast or faster than a 3.6 with modest upgrades. And as far as looks go, unless it's an S package car or a slantnose, there are no differences.
Don't get me wrong, I have an appreciation for both, and I would pay more for a 3.6 over a 3.3 - my argument is that a 3.6 should not command the LARGE premium that seems to exist over a 3.3.
Just my 2 cents.. and I appreciate both for what they are - the last of an exceptional breed of Air Cooled, hand built, RWD 911 Turbos.
Don't get me wrong, I have an appreciation for both, and I would pay more for a 3.6 over a 3.3 - my argument is that a 3.6 should not command the LARGE premium that seems to exist over a 3.3.
Just my 2 cents.. and I appreciate both for what they are - the last of an exceptional breed of Air Cooled, hand built, RWD 911 Turbos.
The fact is they are both wonderful cars the 3.6 has a following due to the movie Bad Boys and the speedline wheels make a huge difference in appearance. With these costing nearly $10k a set today that has a lot to do with how the car is perceived.
We have gone through the numbers game and with the quantities made even if you say only 60% of each still exist the 3.6 will always be a sub 1500 quantity car and even with a 40% loss the 3.3 will still be far easier to come by with more still around than 3.6's made. Just like a Ferrari GTB vs GTB/4 I would love to have either. The ratios of the original vs the 4 cam engine are similar the cars nearly identical yet the 4 cam will demand far more than the 2 cam motor. Just the nature of the beast.
