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BEAUTIFUL!!!

chakka

All you need is the right buyer(or two). It seems at the moment the seller is in the drivers seat(no pun) with these cars. US stocks are sailing so money is flowing, but can't believe the jump in the past year. Can't see that pace maintaining. At some point it's got adjust and stabilize. Seems like if you're thinking of selling, this is the time!

BTR3.4

Thanks.

cobalt

Any idea how close to asking price they came? $125k for a 91 is a lot of money considering a few have recently sold for a lot less with similar mileage and condition.

ponzzzz

110k

mapolus

Is that for the R&H car or the one at Canepa? If it's the R&H car, this is interesting...that car was being advertised at $74,500 on Craigslist. I didn't really think there was much room in it after they did an engine out reseal. Especially with 45,000 miles. Shows what I know!

cobalt

Crazy money. were will it go from here?

keynes

3.3 and 3.6 prices will narrow since there were not many made of either and they look identical. I'm waiting for the Chinese to discover old Porsches and drive demand all crazy. Also Sonoma county wine.
Keynes

handdoc

love how rh raised the price of the gold 993tt they have had forever, from 89 to 99...funny to me since its been sitting there forever

also, sloan wants 100g for his 964

cobalt

I still expect the gap to be significant at least in the US. World wide production of 3.3's exceeds 4000 units and less than 1500 total 3.6's. The 3.3's are still a relatively high production total. In the US I would estimate closer to 600 3.3's still exist vs 150 or so 3.6's. Can't gauge where the 3.6 sits after all the recent 3.3 sales and so few 3.6's changing hands.

Steven C.

And Canepa has 964t's listed as needing more on his recent newsletter.

Doc V.

The most recent research dealing with air-cooled 911 Turbos--Andreas Gabriel's Porsche 911 Turbo: Air Cooled Years, 1975-1998 (October 2012)--identifies the following productions numbers for 964 Turbos.

Worldwide

1991: 2840
1992: 1023
1993: 682
1994: 741

3863 3.3 964 Turbos and 1423 Turbo 3.6s were produced, viz., approximately 37% of all 964 Turbos are Turbo 3.6s.

US

1991: 580
1992: 233
1993: 0
1994: 350

813 3.3 964 Turbos and 350 Turbo 3.6s were produced for the US market; approximately 43% of all US 964 Turbos are 3.6s..

cobalt

I am not sure how he derived at these numbers?? I had access to a vin decoder that was spot on accurate and the numbers I came up with differ but not by all that much. Prior to my research all previous sources over estimated the number of total cars produced. It was pretty clear that the factory database only recognized Vin numbers beginning and ending as I have tabulated. If you do a search I believe you will find I was the first to determine that the first 60 cars for any US model year were test mules and either did not exist or were destroyed per DOT regulations. This was never factored into any previous known total.

I can assure you that the US numbers read more like this

1991: 614
1992: 249 (includes the 20 S2 cars modified by Andial)
1993: 288 (all M718 coded to change vin and sold as 1994 MY)
1994: 62 (does not include 39 flachbaus and 17 package Turbo S's)

3.3's total 863
3.6's total 350
A total of 1213 for all US 964 turbos not including the S's which is not much.

As far as ROW goes I have fairly accurate info saying that the numbers should total

3.3's total 3134
3.6's total 1138
A total of 4272 ROW 964 turbos

World wide production should read

3.3's total 3997
3.6's total 1488

A grand total of 5485 964 turbos

These #'s do not include any turbo S cars.

As I said it doesn't change much but for the US we know that for the 3.6 nearly 100 cars have gone to the graveyard many have salvage titles and many have left the US so there are very few to go around for a large number of hungry investors. Although I have no info on destroyed 3.3's I am sure the number is not low however only recently the 3.3's are starting to leave the US which should leave considerably more to choose from for the time being.

speednme

Delete...wrong post

Turbo Jonny

Anthony , do you disagree with Andreas Gabriel when his book quotes total
3.6 numbers at 1407 ?

Also i am astonished at 100 lost. That is a huge percentage . Are there so many
Crap US drivers or what ? The RHD loss is much less , although a good number have
Had some repairs.