C2 Turbo reliability?
#1
C2 Turbo reliability?
Hello all,
Great to see so many familiar names on this board
I've been wanting to buy a 911 Turbo for a long, long time, something like two years now. I've been actively looking, but when the right car has come along, the finances did not allow the purchase.
Now, I've got all the ducks lined up (I think, the house deal closes on Nov 30) and am back in the market.
The two cars I'm looking at are quite diverse, one is the 91 Turbo, something with low mileage, the other is the 993 Turbo with higher mileage.
The questions I have are more to do with reliability of the 964 based Turbo. What kind of yearly expenses are you incurring and what type of driver are you. Include the cost of tires, clutch, brake pads, etc.
If you include everything as mentioned above, my 944 Turbo costs ~C$600/month (US$380) to operate. I think this is probably on the higher side as I really, really drive my car hard. I autocross it almost every 2nd weekend and track it when possible.
I'm hoping the 911 Turbo, which seems to be designed better and refined over so many years will be a bit less costly to run.
Thanks for the help. The goal is to be in a new ride by year end.
Farzaan
Great to see so many familiar names on this board
I've been wanting to buy a 911 Turbo for a long, long time, something like two years now. I've been actively looking, but when the right car has come along, the finances did not allow the purchase.
Now, I've got all the ducks lined up (I think, the house deal closes on Nov 30) and am back in the market.
The two cars I'm looking at are quite diverse, one is the 91 Turbo, something with low mileage, the other is the 993 Turbo with higher mileage.
The questions I have are more to do with reliability of the 964 based Turbo. What kind of yearly expenses are you incurring and what type of driver are you. Include the cost of tires, clutch, brake pads, etc.
If you include everything as mentioned above, my 944 Turbo costs ~C$600/month (US$380) to operate. I think this is probably on the higher side as I really, really drive my car hard. I autocross it almost every 2nd weekend and track it when possible.
I'm hoping the 911 Turbo, which seems to be designed better and refined over so many years will be a bit less costly to run.
Thanks for the help. The goal is to be in a new ride by year end.
Farzaan
#2
Farzaan,
You seem to be the kind of guy who would do his own oil changes etc., (like me) so I will tell you what I have done this year w/ my C2T.
1. Oil change (Mobil 1) & filter $60.
2. Valve adjustment $6. (lifetime silicone valve cover gaskets allow for low price, but I still use new nuts & washers).
3. Clean the K&N filter $0.
4. G50/50 gear lube (Mobil 1) $30.60
5. Tires $541.92 (they love to go through rears).
That is about it for the whole year. The car is as reliable as a STONE. I also drove it about 6K miles this year, so it gets used often.
I have found that all of my 911's are driveable every day. They really are quality machines, and as you say "...designed better and refined over so many years..."
Your thoughts of a 1991 have merit. Go with it & be happy for years.
Click here for a nice one that $47.5K could buy
You seem to be the kind of guy who would do his own oil changes etc., (like me) so I will tell you what I have done this year w/ my C2T.
1. Oil change (Mobil 1) & filter $60.
2. Valve adjustment $6. (lifetime silicone valve cover gaskets allow for low price, but I still use new nuts & washers).
3. Clean the K&N filter $0.
4. G50/50 gear lube (Mobil 1) $30.60
5. Tires $541.92 (they love to go through rears).
That is about it for the whole year. The car is as reliable as a STONE. I also drove it about 6K miles this year, so it gets used often.
I have found that all of my 911's are driveable every day. They really are quality machines, and as you say "...designed better and refined over so many years..."
Your thoughts of a 1991 have merit. Go with it & be happy for years.
Click here for a nice one that $47.5K could buy
#3
Hi Micheal B.
Thanks for the info, I'm hoping some of the other regulars post as well.
The car you listed for sale, is that yours? If not, how do I contact the owner?
Thanks,
Farzaan
Thanks for the info, I'm hoping some of the other regulars post as well.
The car you listed for sale, is that yours? If not, how do I contact the owner?
Thanks,
Farzaan
#4
Here is my take on the '92 C2 Turbo I've owned since Oct 2000.
Alignment and balance tires $350
Ashtray replacement $35
New battery $100
Hydraulic brake servo ~$1000 (part/labor)
15k miles service + fuel enrichment mod, fan belts, tranny oil change, and a few small things done at the same time $1200.
Besides tires I don't anticipate anything for next year except for the annual oil change, unless something goes wrong. Cross my finger.
My car is mostly a street car driven from normal to not too hard, some autox when time allows, and fun runs. Total miles a year under 5k.
The reason for doing some of the things I did is because I don't know what the previous owner did service wise exactly. So, I did all that stuff to establish a new service base line that I know for sure.
Sonny Vo
ps: I spent a whole lot more money on the car, but they were not necessary stuff. More like to personalize the car.
Alignment and balance tires $350
Ashtray replacement $35
New battery $100
Hydraulic brake servo ~$1000 (part/labor)
15k miles service + fuel enrichment mod, fan belts, tranny oil change, and a few small things done at the same time $1200.
Besides tires I don't anticipate anything for next year except for the annual oil change, unless something goes wrong. Cross my finger.
My car is mostly a street car driven from normal to not too hard, some autox when time allows, and fun runs. Total miles a year under 5k.
The reason for doing some of the things I did is because I don't know what the previous owner did service wise exactly. So, I did all that stuff to establish a new service base line that I know for sure.
Sonny Vo
ps: I spent a whole lot more money on the car, but they were not necessary stuff. More like to personalize the car.
#5
Sonny,
You have an absolutely beautiful 911 Turbo. I use your car as my screen background at work to remind myself why I stay there for 10-12 hours
I've also used your website as a reference for looking up information that is hard to come by elsewhere.
My preferred colours are red, then silver. I know that red is not a good colour for the 911 body, but every car I've owned has been red and I've had very good luck with them. Being superstitious is silly, but people would probably fall over if they saw me in a non-red car.
Farzaan
Red 92 Talon TSi
Red 92 Talon AWD
Green 94 Talon AWD (burned before I got it home!)
Red 89 944 Turbo S
Red 91 911 Turbo (most likely soon)
Red 96 993 Turbo (unlikely, but you never know! )
You have an absolutely beautiful 911 Turbo. I use your car as my screen background at work to remind myself why I stay there for 10-12 hours
I've also used your website as a reference for looking up information that is hard to come by elsewhere.
My preferred colours are red, then silver. I know that red is not a good colour for the 911 body, but every car I've owned has been red and I've had very good luck with them. Being superstitious is silly, but people would probably fall over if they saw me in a non-red car.
Farzaan
Red 92 Talon TSi
Red 92 Talon AWD
Green 94 Talon AWD (burned before I got it home!)
Red 89 944 Turbo S
Red 91 911 Turbo (most likely soon)
Red 96 993 Turbo (unlikely, but you never know! )
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Reliability of any 964 including the Turbos depends on three things,
1/. How it was looked after by the previous owners
2/. How it is maintained and serviced by the current owner
3/. How it is used and abused by all concerned.
Too little driving and soft driving are just as damaging to a Turbo and too hard driving and abusive driving. A Turbo is designed to be driven. I have always believed that if you utilise a product the way it was designed to be used it will last longer and be more reliable.
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4
PS: I have more than just Porsche data to back up my theory as well. My company has the highest mean time between failures on its Rolls Royce (Formerly Allsion) AE3007A1 engines in the world. We put this dowen to the fact that because we are short field operated we make these engines work for a living.
1/. How it was looked after by the previous owners
2/. How it is maintained and serviced by the current owner
3/. How it is used and abused by all concerned.
Too little driving and soft driving are just as damaging to a Turbo and too hard driving and abusive driving. A Turbo is designed to be driven. I have always believed that if you utilise a product the way it was designed to be used it will last longer and be more reliable.
Ciao,
Adrian
911C4
PS: I have more than just Porsche data to back up my theory as well. My company has the highest mean time between failures on its Rolls Royce (Formerly Allsion) AE3007A1 engines in the world. We put this dowen to the fact that because we are short field operated we make these engines work for a living.
#7
Farzaan,
I had my C2 Turbo -91 for almost a year now, had it 5K miles on the road (44K total). This is what I have spend on the car so far:
- New fan belt $20 (had the Porsche Center do it for me, cost me $100 total)
- New break pads and checked braking fluid (I had the PC do it, $500 total)
- Set of rear tires $360 (they are expensive over here)
- 1 gallon of oil.
- A lot of gas!
That's it!
Personally I think that I got a lot of Porsche car per dollar. It outruns allmost anything on the road, looks like new and was about half the price of a 993TT.
Staffan
PS.
I allmost forgot, since the car is so good looking, I am completly rebuilding my garage so that the car won't get offended
So far I have spend $3K and 100 hours on that garage, not mentioning the new sunglasses and........
I had my C2 Turbo -91 for almost a year now, had it 5K miles on the road (44K total). This is what I have spend on the car so far:
- New fan belt $20 (had the Porsche Center do it for me, cost me $100 total)
- New break pads and checked braking fluid (I had the PC do it, $500 total)
- Set of rear tires $360 (they are expensive over here)
- 1 gallon of oil.
- A lot of gas!
That's it!
Personally I think that I got a lot of Porsche car per dollar. It outruns allmost anything on the road, looks like new and was about half the price of a 993TT.
Staffan
PS.
I allmost forgot, since the car is so good looking, I am completly rebuilding my garage so that the car won't get offended
So far I have spend $3K and 100 hours on that garage, not mentioning the new sunglasses and........