964 turbo Cabrio?
10-10-2007, 12:14 AM
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"you better call Porsche cars north America (800-Porsche), before you shoot you self in the foot."
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This was his reply.........obviously a fraudster. If it was real he'd send me the evidence I requested. I have reported him to E-Bay.
He just sent me another message after I told him I was reporting him......this time he said "why don't you give me your e-mail and I'll send you an article about the car".......I said send me the underhood sticker photos, door jamb VIN plaque photos and documentation regarding the car that was previously asked for. No reply thus far.......LOL !!
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This was his reply.........obviously a fraudster. If it was real he'd send me the evidence I requested. I have reported him to E-Bay.
He just sent me another message after I told him I was reporting him......this time he said "why don't you give me your e-mail and I'll send you an article about the car".......I said send me the underhood sticker photos, door jamb VIN plaque photos and documentation regarding the car that was previously asked for. No reply thus far.......LOL !!
Last edited by YYC930; 10-10-2007 at 12:39 AM.
10-10-2007, 06:34 AM
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Burning Brakes
I agree this looks like a fake - but apparently there were 4 965 turbo cabs made, see here:
http://www.performance2and4.co.uk/911spec_3_n.htm
The black one pictured was the one I saw for sale a couple of years ago at £55k.
http://www.performance2and4.co.uk/911spec_3_n.htm
The black one pictured was the one I saw for sale a couple of years ago at £55k.
10-10-2007, 09:24 AM
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Please take no offence, but that article does not prove anything to me IMHO. It is merely unsubstantiated supposition and a case of ACPOTI. It may be proven to be true.......but......
VIN's, along with documentation and specific photographs of same, would make me believe that these were built. Verified and documented info is available for the 993 turbo cabs.......but 15+ years later it is easy to say "Porsche did it" with anything........in this case all you had to do was buy the "turbo-look roadster" and after the fact, stuff a turbo motor in it.....voila !! Fake car. Decades later who would know. Just like this guy and his car.....he refuses to supply documentation/photos/etc when pressed, because none exists and he wil be proven to be a fraud.
Here's why I say that. I was the sales manager at the dealer here during 92-95. If I wanted something I merely asked Carole Ann Nemish (admin asst) or Randy Koster (national sales manager) at the Canadian head office of VW to e-mail PAG in Germany for me.
In 48 hours we got a reply from an engineer or someone in sales about our questions. In one case we wanted a quiet 928 GTS and when we placed our request that our client wanted it as quiet as the newly introduced BMW 850i, we got a scathing reply from the head engineer in the body department saying it would cost $50,000 USD to do so.....outlining what would be done and stating that the 850 was already the same as the GTS. They were pissed that we were critical of the 928 GTS. LOL !!
I had a client who wanted a 965 turbo cab back in 1993. He is still my client today. I asked them to take the turbo-look "America Roadster" and drop the 3.3 turbo engine into it just like the coupe. I said cost didn't matter. They refused on 3 occasions when we escalated it up the food chain in Germany. Their final letter to us was pretty direct. It was not going to happen.....cost was irrelevant. They would not reinforce the body and crash/emmission test the car merely for "one" North American example. We ended up selling him an Amazon Green/Cashmere "America Roadster" put the whaletail on it, and ordered up some RS 3.8 camshafts, ECU and 3.8 pistons and cylinder from ANDIAL.......$20K and 350 HP later......woo hoo !!!
VIN's, along with documentation and specific photographs of same, would make me believe that these were built. Verified and documented info is available for the 993 turbo cabs.......but 15+ years later it is easy to say "Porsche did it" with anything........in this case all you had to do was buy the "turbo-look roadster" and after the fact, stuff a turbo motor in it.....voila !! Fake car. Decades later who would know. Just like this guy and his car.....he refuses to supply documentation/photos/etc when pressed, because none exists and he wil be proven to be a fraud.
Here's why I say that. I was the sales manager at the dealer here during 92-95. If I wanted something I merely asked Carole Ann Nemish (admin asst) or Randy Koster (national sales manager) at the Canadian head office of VW to e-mail PAG in Germany for me.
In 48 hours we got a reply from an engineer or someone in sales about our questions. In one case we wanted a quiet 928 GTS and when we placed our request that our client wanted it as quiet as the newly introduced BMW 850i, we got a scathing reply from the head engineer in the body department saying it would cost $50,000 USD to do so.....outlining what would be done and stating that the 850 was already the same as the GTS. They were pissed that we were critical of the 928 GTS. LOL !!
I had a client who wanted a 965 turbo cab back in 1993. He is still my client today. I asked them to take the turbo-look "America Roadster" and drop the 3.3 turbo engine into it just like the coupe. I said cost didn't matter. They refused on 3 occasions when we escalated it up the food chain in Germany. Their final letter to us was pretty direct. It was not going to happen.....cost was irrelevant. They would not reinforce the body and crash/emmission test the car merely for "one" North American example. We ended up selling him an Amazon Green/Cashmere "America Roadster" put the whaletail on it, and ordered up some RS 3.8 camshafts, ECU and 3.8 pistons and cylinder from ANDIAL.......$20K and 350 HP later......woo hoo !!!
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10-10-2007, 12:02 PM
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I agree this looks like a fake - but apparently there were 4 965 turbo cabs made, see here:
http://www.performance2and4.co.uk/911spec_3_n.htm
The black one pictured was the one I saw for sale a couple of years ago at £55k.
http://www.performance2and4.co.uk/911spec_3_n.htm
The black one pictured was the one I saw for sale a couple of years ago at £55k.
I have C of C's for all my cars and mine don't have the 2 tone paper which to me looks like someone scanned over or added another printout over the original. Actually none of my C of C's even the newest one for my CT look quite like this one.
10-10-2007, 12:37 PM
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You would think someone who knows whom to talk to @ porsche would call and ask if there were any made as" special wish cars "and settle this discusion. After all it is a 1 800 phone call. If I knew what dept. to talk to I would.
10-10-2007, 03:34 PM
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Please take no offence, but that article does not prove anything to me IMHO. It is merely unsubstantiated supposition and a case of ACPOTI. It may be proven to be true.......but......
VIN's, along with documentation and specific photographs of same, would make me believe that these were built. Verified and documented info is available for the 993 turbo cabs.......but 15+ years later it is easy to say "Porsche did it" with anything........in this case all you had to do was buy the "turbo-look roadster" and after the fact, stuff a turbo motor in it.....voila !! Fake car. Decades later who would know. Just like this guy and his car.....he refuses to supply documentation/photos/etc when pressed, because none exists and he wil be proven to be a fraud.
Here's why I say that. I was the sales manager at the dealer here during 92-95. If I wanted something I merely asked Carole Ann Nemish (admin asst) or Randy Koster (national sales manager) at the Canadian head office of VW to e-mail PAG in Germany for me.
In 48 hours we got a reply from an engineer or someone in sales about our questions. In one case we wanted a quiet 928 GTS and when we placed our request that our client wanted it as quiet as the newly introduced BMW 850i, we got a scathing reply from the head engineer in the body department saying it would cost $50,000 USD to do so.....outlining what would be done and stating that the 850 was already the same as the GTS. They were pissed that we were critical of the 928 GTS. LOL !!
I had a client who wanted a 965 turbo cab back in 1993. He is still my client today. I asked them to take the turbo-look "America Roadster" and drop the 3.3 turbo engine into it just like the coupe. I said cost didn't matter. They refused on 3 occasions when we escalated it up the food chain in Germany. Their final letter to us was pretty direct. It was not going to happen.....cost was irrelevant. They would not reinforce the body and crash/emmission test the car merely for "one" North American example. We ended up selling him an Amazon Green/Cashmere "America Roadster" put the whaletail on it, and ordered up some RS 3.8 camshafts, ECU and 3.8 pistons and cylinder from ANDIAL.......$20K and 350 HP later......woo hoo !!!
VIN's, along with documentation and specific photographs of same, would make me believe that these were built. Verified and documented info is available for the 993 turbo cabs.......but 15+ years later it is easy to say "Porsche did it" with anything........in this case all you had to do was buy the "turbo-look roadster" and after the fact, stuff a turbo motor in it.....voila !! Fake car. Decades later who would know. Just like this guy and his car.....he refuses to supply documentation/photos/etc when pressed, because none exists and he wil be proven to be a fraud.
Here's why I say that. I was the sales manager at the dealer here during 92-95. If I wanted something I merely asked Carole Ann Nemish (admin asst) or Randy Koster (national sales manager) at the Canadian head office of VW to e-mail PAG in Germany for me.
In 48 hours we got a reply from an engineer or someone in sales about our questions. In one case we wanted a quiet 928 GTS and when we placed our request that our client wanted it as quiet as the newly introduced BMW 850i, we got a scathing reply from the head engineer in the body department saying it would cost $50,000 USD to do so.....outlining what would be done and stating that the 850 was already the same as the GTS. They were pissed that we were critical of the 928 GTS. LOL !!
I had a client who wanted a 965 turbo cab back in 1993. He is still my client today. I asked them to take the turbo-look "America Roadster" and drop the 3.3 turbo engine into it just like the coupe. I said cost didn't matter. They refused on 3 occasions when we escalated it up the food chain in Germany. Their final letter to us was pretty direct. It was not going to happen.....cost was irrelevant. They would not reinforce the body and crash/emmission test the car merely for "one" North American example. We ended up selling him an Amazon Green/Cashmere "America Roadster" put the whaletail on it, and ordered up some RS 3.8 camshafts, ECU and 3.8 pistons and cylinder from ANDIAL.......$20K and 350 HP later......woo hoo !!!
Re. your comment about Porsche turning down a request for your customer to build a 964 turbo cab for the US - this makes sense given the cost of "federalising" cars. However Porsche have, and continue to build cars in Europe that are not sold in Europe (964RS) or to a different specification (997 GT3RS) so I'm not sure this is really a valid argument (except against this car being real, which I doubt). Of course it may just have been that your comments about the 928 GTS pissed them off so much that they wouldn't help you out!
It is not as easy as ringing Porsche NA or even Stuttgart as Porsche have always been notoriously coy about production numbers, especially of their more limited production cars. They are famous for underestimating BHP numbers too...
Just my 2 cents...
10-10-2007, 04:17 PM
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Tjr........
I agree.......I've seen all kinds of stuff from Europe that they'd never think of making for us over here in the colonies.
They were really po'd about the 928 remark.....the engineer's name was Neitziger or something like that....I remember it well. 2 paragraphs were devoted to why our opinion of the interior sound levels was incorrect.
I agree.......I've seen all kinds of stuff from Europe that they'd never think of making for us over here in the colonies.
They were really po'd about the 928 remark.....the engineer's name was Neitziger or something like that....I remember it well. 2 paragraphs were devoted to why our opinion of the interior sound levels was incorrect.
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10-10-2007, 04:48 PM
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Yes, but the problem is the vin and other info provided point to it being a US model 1991 turbo and no US 964 turbo cabs were manufactured. If they were some info on this car it would have made the news by now being a one of a kind. BTW I have seen numerous forged or fake C of C's and this looks like one.
10-10-2007, 05:01 PM
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I said it before the CofC does not even look like a high quality fake, its just bad. There is no way Porsche would list electric sun roof on that cert if it were a real cert.The car itself looks off too, I am betting its a frankenporsche.
