Anyone know this car?
10-20-2006, 05:00 AM
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Anyone know this car?
Hi all
I'm going to view this car tomorrow and I wondered if anyone knows of it, maybe it's passed through Rennlist ownership? It's on page 3 and is the purple 964turbo if the link doesn't take you direct. It all sounds good on paper and on the phone and I'm planning to get a good PPI including a compression test but just wondered if anyone knows anything about it?
http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/22669/stockpage.htm
A side question - does a 3.3 turbo have an engine undertray?
Cheers guys - I'm getting excited about tomorrow!
I'm going to view this car tomorrow and I wondered if anyone knows of it, maybe it's passed through Rennlist ownership? It's on page 3 and is the purple 964turbo if the link doesn't take you direct. It all sounds good on paper and on the phone and I'm planning to get a good PPI including a compression test but just wondered if anyone knows anything about it?
http://www.dealer.autotrader.co.uk/22669/stockpage.htm
A side question - does a 3.3 turbo have an engine undertray?
Cheers guys - I'm getting excited about tomorrow!
10-20-2006, 07:53 AM
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hi,
no undertray - you´ll have a free view to the engines underpart (and hopefully no oil leaks...).
good luck,
fritz
A side question - does a 3.3 turbo have an engine undertray?
good luck,
fritz
10-20-2006, 08:41 AM
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Good price.
Look out for aircon leaks and heater working from all vents, hot & cold. I'm in for £2K to repair mine!
Also, check spec and operation on hifi, speakers and alarm as these aren't cheap to replace.
And check thoroughly bodywork and condition of rubber seals for leaks.
Otherwise your PPI should cover the mechanicals.
PS: Small leaks to be expected on old 911's but I can see some oil spots on the floor in the pics so looks heavy. Get everything in writing as most dealers are sharks, and don't be lulled by warrantees as they will try to get out of everything.
If all above OK, enjoy these awesome cars.
Look out for aircon leaks and heater working from all vents, hot & cold. I'm in for £2K to repair mine!
Also, check spec and operation on hifi, speakers and alarm as these aren't cheap to replace.
And check thoroughly bodywork and condition of rubber seals for leaks.
Otherwise your PPI should cover the mechanicals.
PS: Small leaks to be expected on old 911's but I can see some oil spots on the floor in the pics so looks heavy. Get everything in writing as most dealers are sharks, and don't be lulled by warrantees as they will try to get out of everything.
If all above OK, enjoy these awesome cars.
10-20-2006, 10:25 AM
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I don't know anything about this car but just to re-iterate what 911Addict (Mark) says, don't trust the dealer to repair anything. If they are going to carry any mechanical work, make sure it is done by a recognised and reputable Porsche specialist with no vested interest. Bear in mind that there is a lot of work that may need to be carried out as a matter of routine on a 965 of that age and mileage and most of this won't be covered under any warranty (as it is wear and tear):
- rebuild calipers c.£500
- change discs and pads c.£500 each end
- replace oil pipes c.£2-3k
- renew the clutch c.£700 and the flywheel c.£500
- rebuild aircon/heating system c.£2k
- new tyres c.£500
- or even just do a full (engine out to adjust the tappets) service c.£500
At this price expect most of these to need doing now or soon, or to have recently been done. Ask whoever does the PPi to check for these things specfically and whatever happens, expect some big bills. Both Mark and I have had some very large bills and we paid more for our cars than this...but we still love them!
As my mechanic says, the 965 is a supercar with supercar running costs...
Above all - Caveat Emptor.
- rebuild calipers c.£500
- change discs and pads c.£500 each end
- replace oil pipes c.£2-3k
- renew the clutch c.£700 and the flywheel c.£500
- rebuild aircon/heating system c.£2k
- new tyres c.£500
- or even just do a full (engine out to adjust the tappets) service c.£500
At this price expect most of these to need doing now or soon, or to have recently been done. Ask whoever does the PPi to check for these things specfically and whatever happens, expect some big bills. Both Mark and I have had some very large bills and we paid more for our cars than this...but we still love them!
As my mechanic says, the 965 is a supercar with supercar running costs...Above all - Caveat Emptor.
10-20-2006, 10:27 AM
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Cheers 911addict
I think I'm actually less fussed with a heavy leak - I'd rather see it dripping out cos it's normally pipes rather than an engine problem. Seepage without being able to see where from would worry be more. Not that I'm an expert.
I'll make sure that fixing leaks is given in writing and cross-reference with the PPI.
I think I'm actually less fussed with a heavy leak - I'd rather see it dripping out cos it's normally pipes rather than an engine problem. Seepage without being able to see where from would worry be more. Not that I'm an expert.
I'll make sure that fixing leaks is given in writing and cross-reference with the PPI.
10-20-2006, 10:31 AM
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Thanks also tjr, I'm committed to the on-going upkeep. No Porsche is a cheap option...my 964 has 147K miles and I live with the fear of it dying on me everyday!
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10-20-2006, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by kusee pee
Thanks also tjr, I'm committed to the on-going upkeep. No Porsche is a cheap option...my 964 has 147K miles and I live with the fear of it dying on me everyday!
) but even I was surpised that it needed new oil pipes (at £3k) pretty much as soon as I got, but then again I stupidly didn't get a PPI 
The very best of luck and let us know if you buy it!
10-20-2006, 11:03 AM
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For what its worth I couldn't agree more with what 911addict and tjr have said above. I must have been lucky as my aircon/heater and oil pipes have so far been trouble-free (touch wood). Am shocked at the cost to put them right though!!
10-21-2006, 04:57 AM
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Looks like the passenger side has had bad accident damage in the past. He states it is hpi clear LOL if it hasn't been in the Great Britain all its life then so what, it could have been written off abroad. Ask for some more better pics before wasting your time going to view.
10-21-2006, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by nathanUK '81 930 G50
Looks like the passenger side has had bad accident damage in the past. He states it is hpi clear LOL if it hasn't been in the Great Britain all its life then so what, it could have been written off abroad. Ask for some more better pics before wasting your time going to view.
Only beacuae i'm inexperienced, but what are the telltale signs in the pics?
10-21-2006, 09:52 PM
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I just had another look a the photo's. IMO it seems that both doors fit badly on the car (they are not flush and the panel gaps are uneven) and we all know that it would not have left the factory like this (a RSR may not be perfectly finished, but production cars are).
It seems it has been repaired badly and as it is not a UK car it may even be a stolen recovered or written off car.
Anyway it seems the day has passed 'kusee pee', what did you think of it ?
It seems it has been repaired badly and as it is not a UK car it may even be a stolen recovered or written off car.
Anyway it seems the day has passed 'kusee pee', what did you think of it ?
10-22-2006, 06:46 AM
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Hi all, thanks for all the contributions. Went to view yesteday and here is the current position. To cut a long story short I've put a deposit on the car and ordered a PPI. Pending a good PPI and the dealer fixing a few things (see below) it will be mine.. Naturally I'm restraining my enthusiasm till the PPI checks out - I had a few disappointments the first time around with my 964C2!
I'll give a breakdown on what I found and why I decided to go ahead:
1. Bodywork - pretty great (the photos do this car no justice - I laughed out loud when I first saw it in the flesh!). There is a slight panel ill-fit with the bonnet and there have been some sprays but we're talking about a 14 year old car here so it doesn't phase me. The door-shut in the photos was not a problem in reality - I think it must have just been not shut properly for the photo. No signs of any rust in the tell-tale areas.
2. Interior - a bit of a mess really, the biggest disappointment. It just needs a really thorough valet but which the dealer hadn't yet done.
3. Service history. Excellent - the main selling point. Loads of bills and full service history. Included a new clutch last year and numerous other pieces which shouted 'well-loved-car'.
4. Specification. A nice surprise here - as well as all the usuals, not only does it have factory-fit sports suspension and exhaust but also the power-upgrade kit (I think it is the X33 option from Adrian's book). The details were documented in the registration papers on import (in '97).
4. Mechanicals. Brakes, gearchange, steering all excellent. Very smooth machine (and so quiet compared to my C2 with a g-pipe!). However, three problems came up:
a) Fanbelt warning light was on and there was a rattling when accelerating from low-speed
b) A notable lack of boost/stuttering at around 2-4k rpm which could well be a hose or seals that need replacing
c) There was a slight drip of oil after hot running, looking like from the pipe running across the back of the engine to the right rear wheel arch.
Now...at this point I was thinking stuff this but then I managed to speak to the previous owner (got his number off a bill in the SH!). He had recently traded in for a 964RS Lightweight. He was a lovely bloke, a real enthusiast and had no vested interest (and the dealer didn't know I was speaking to him). Anyway, the conversation filled me with confidence that he'd kept the car in top nick and the problems on the test-drive were ones that could be easily fixed prior to purchase. He said that he hadn't wanted to sell the turbo but needed to to quench his RS-thirst. He kept swearing blind that the engine was in great condition and was really surprised that it wasn't running great. He even phoned me back later after speaking to his mechanic to discuss what the problems might be!
Therefore, I decided that the PPI would pinpoint exactly what the problems mentioned above were caused by. I've therefore gone ahead on the condition that:
a) the dealer fixes these problems (and a couple of interior cosmetics and a full service) according to the advice from the PPI
b) all the work must be documented and paperwork provided to me
c) if the PPI picks up anything else bad or the named problems are actually caused by worse things that expected then I can pull-out and get my deposit refunded.
So I'm hopefully in a win-win position: if things go wrong with the PPI I can pull-out and if things go well the problems get fixed, documented and I can a lovely motor!
Had to drive a 400mile round trip to view it though...what a draining experience...!
Naturally I'm restraining my enthusiasm till the PPI checks out - I had a few disappointments the first time around with my 964C2!I'll give a breakdown on what I found and why I decided to go ahead:
1. Bodywork - pretty great (the photos do this car no justice - I laughed out loud when I first saw it in the flesh!). There is a slight panel ill-fit with the bonnet and there have been some sprays but we're talking about a 14 year old car here so it doesn't phase me. The door-shut in the photos was not a problem in reality - I think it must have just been not shut properly for the photo. No signs of any rust in the tell-tale areas.
2. Interior - a bit of a mess really, the biggest disappointment. It just needs a really thorough valet but which the dealer hadn't yet done.
3. Service history. Excellent - the main selling point. Loads of bills and full service history. Included a new clutch last year and numerous other pieces which shouted 'well-loved-car'.
4. Specification. A nice surprise here - as well as all the usuals, not only does it have factory-fit sports suspension and exhaust but also the power-upgrade kit (I think it is the X33 option from Adrian's book). The details were documented in the registration papers on import (in '97).
4. Mechanicals. Brakes, gearchange, steering all excellent. Very smooth machine (and so quiet compared to my C2 with a g-pipe!). However, three problems came up:
a) Fanbelt warning light was on and there was a rattling when accelerating from low-speed
b) A notable lack of boost/stuttering at around 2-4k rpm which could well be a hose or seals that need replacing
c) There was a slight drip of oil after hot running, looking like from the pipe running across the back of the engine to the right rear wheel arch.
Now...at this point I was thinking stuff this but then I managed to speak to the previous owner (got his number off a bill in the SH!). He had recently traded in for a 964RS Lightweight. He was a lovely bloke, a real enthusiast and had no vested interest (and the dealer didn't know I was speaking to him). Anyway, the conversation filled me with confidence that he'd kept the car in top nick and the problems on the test-drive were ones that could be easily fixed prior to purchase. He said that he hadn't wanted to sell the turbo but needed to to quench his RS-thirst. He kept swearing blind that the engine was in great condition and was really surprised that it wasn't running great. He even phoned me back later after speaking to his mechanic to discuss what the problems might be!
Therefore, I decided that the PPI would pinpoint exactly what the problems mentioned above were caused by. I've therefore gone ahead on the condition that:
a) the dealer fixes these problems (and a couple of interior cosmetics and a full service) according to the advice from the PPI
b) all the work must be documented and paperwork provided to me
c) if the PPI picks up anything else bad or the named problems are actually caused by worse things that expected then I can pull-out and get my deposit refunded.
So I'm hopefully in a win-win position: if things go wrong with the PPI I can pull-out and if things go well the problems get fixed, documented and I can a lovely motor!
Had to drive a 400mile round trip to view it though...what a draining experience...!