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Old 07-01-2022, 01:04 PM
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seems to be a clean example. low miles and almost unmodified - besides cup pipe instead of muffler.
go for it if the price is right.
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12,00 original miles?? .... ok maybe its never been washed or detailed in those little miles,... but something tells me there are quite a few miles driven with the relay unplugged. pay verrrrry close attention to the rubber inside the spring plates, bushings, take a look at the rubber boots on both sides of the steering rack, as well as the half shafts. Look at the rubber boots around such small areas as the tie rods too. Those will be tell-tale signs if the car has been driven for many years without the Odo working.

any big gaps in the documentation for services rendered on the car? ... there SHOULD be, unless they have very detailed descriptions of all the oil changes, fluid changes etc that were done as a part of TIME related changes, not mileage. But it should all be very well documented if the car really only has 12k miles. My eye brows rise up a bit on this one

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what’s the asking price ? That’s might help to put it in perspective. Is it still in Europe?
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thanks guys, in 20 days i will check it personally.
so anything that is particularly striking?
the car has a service history confirming this mileage, for me the most important thing is that the car has 100% first paint.
The car costs 165,000 euros

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There's some odd looking bits on the underside of this car considering the 12000 mile claim. Lots of bits that look like they have very little wear (turbo oil drip tank and bolts, condition of various nuts and bolts holding the timing chain covers etc), but also some bits look like they have way, way more than 12000 miles on them - the rear trailing arms and the front bottom pans being absolutely black dirty. That said, in general it looks clean apart from the underside (which looks like it has been driven recently after possibly been stored for some time).

Also got red painted calipers (can't tell if they are 3.6/993 Turbo parts) instead of black, the aforementioned swan-neck instead of the standard silencer, a front strut brace, and some aftermarket side turn markers and front lenses (not that there's anything wrong with the clear parts - I did exactly the same).

I don't know if I would fully trust the mileage, but beyond that, there isn't anything that would put me off the car; from what I can see it looks good.
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this is a typical european car: no dye ice, no concourse cleaning, no underside detailing. was sitting somewhere for a long time and now it is offered for sale. no one in the states would do this way. over here still normal.
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Guys, thanks a lot for your comments. In fact, I did not notice it has red calipers and front strut brace....I wonder if these are the only modifications....?
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Originally Posted by peterpullin
this is a typical european car: no dye ice, no concourse cleaning, no underside detailing. was sitting somewhere for a long time and now it is offered for sale. no one in the states would do this way. over here still normal.
yeah, its standard here, Nearest company offering like new udar the car detailing is 1000 a way from here...
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Also, the big difference between car enthusiasts in the the USA compared to most of Europe (and by that I also include us here in the UK) is the size of houses - the vast majority of people don't have property on the scale of you folks in the US. Houses tend to be much smaller, closer together and without the huge garages that a lot (though I appreciate, not all) of you have.

That means the space for the average car enthusiast to have lifts, ramps and access to do major work at home or under-body detailing is simply not there in the majority of cases. I feel lucky that I have a double garage (and by that, I mean it is just big enough to get two cars in, side-by side, with a small workbench area), the average home owner, if they have a garage, will have space for a single car (and literally that; space for a car - not a workshop). That goes some way to explaining why we don't have the detailing culture of North America.
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Originally Posted by Megatron-UK
Also, the big difference between car enthusiasts in the the USA compared to most of Europe (and by that I also include us here in the UK) is the size of houses - the vast majority of people don't have property on the scale of you folks in the US. Houses tend to be much smaller, closer together and without the huge garages that a lot (though I appreciate, not all) of you have.

That means the space for the average car enthusiast to have lifts, ramps and access to do major work at home or under-body detailing is simply not there in the majority of cases. I feel lucky that I have a double garage (and by that, I mean it is just big enough to get two cars in, side-by side, with a small workbench area), the average home owner, if they have a garage, will have space for a single car (and literally that; space for a car - not a workshop). That goes some way to explaining why we don't have the detailing culture of North America.
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My 91 and 93 Coatings underneath look much cleaner. Both mine are from the Northern states with 38k miles and 54k miles. These heat exchangers look excellent. But there are after market tips and that means the car probably had headers then the original exhaust reinstalled. It's a great price. Get a leak down or roll the dice and go for it. Look at the exchange rate today. It's even!!
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Just pull the speedometer. Check the date. See if it was opened. Takes 5 seconds.
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there is full set of maintenance invoices with dates and kilometers so its real. Currently, the inspection is underway at the expense of the owner, which costs 19,000 euros. He ordered a large overhaul with valve adjustment, clutch replacement and a number of other things

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as a curiosity, a photo taken during the assembly of KW my friend's 964 turbo to show the condition of the chassis.
The car has one owner and has traveled 28,000 kilometers since the beginning and as you can see it is very dirty from the bottom.




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