92 turbo S
02-13-2004, 03:18 AM
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Dear Les,
There is one for sale in Germany that I know of (the one in my book actually) and there were two for sale in Malaysia but I have not heard anything about them in a year or so. They were on the market for $US125,000 each. One had 25 miles the other 45 miles.
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There is one for sale in Germany that I know of (the one in my book actually) and there were two for sale in Malaysia but I have not heard anything about them in a year or so. They were on the market for $US125,000 each. One had 25 miles the other 45 miles.
Ciao,
Adrian
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02-13-2004, 12:32 PM
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Dear Les,
There is no such thing as a US version of the Turbo S. I do not believe you can federalise a Turbo S and have it remain a Turbo S if you know what I mean. I would see if you can bring it in under that new DOT historical car rule you have. I am not sure it is eligible, you will have to check.
By the way, the Turbo S uses a lot of rare 968 Turbo parts which may prove difficult to come by in later days. None of this stuff is in the parts catalogue either.
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Adrian
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There is no such thing as a US version of the Turbo S. I do not believe you can federalise a Turbo S and have it remain a Turbo S if you know what I mean. I would see if you can bring it in under that new DOT historical car rule you have. I am not sure it is eligible, you will have to check.
By the way, the Turbo S uses a lot of rare 968 Turbo parts which may prove difficult to come by in later days. None of this stuff is in the parts catalogue either.
Ciao,
Adrian
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02-13-2004, 01:21 PM
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Adrian, I apologize for my confusion but page 34 of your book talks about one of 20 cars imported and modified by Andial. You describe it as a turbo S 2. So the turbo S2 is not considered a turbo S ? I see the ROW turbo S on the next page. I thought they were both considered a turbo S?
02-13-2004, 02:50 PM
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Dear Les,
The Turbo S2 was a standard Turbo with an Andial upgraded engine. The kit details are in my book.
The Turbo S was a highly modified Turbo using a large number of Carrera RS and 968 Turbo parts.
The Turbo S2 is no way close to being a Turbo S. The Turbo S2 is a homologation model only.
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Adrian
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The Turbo S2 was a standard Turbo with an Andial upgraded engine. The kit details are in my book.
The Turbo S was a highly modified Turbo using a large number of Carrera RS and 968 Turbo parts.
The Turbo S2 is no way close to being a Turbo S. The Turbo S2 is a homologation model only.
Ciao,
Adrian
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02-13-2004, 03:26 PM
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Adrian,
Enjoy your posts.
What 968 parts did "92 S use?
I thought in 92 the "S" was just a motor packge on a standard car.
Then there was the 1992 "S light weight" with the Recaro built shells & rear side vents and took a lot of from the 964 RS's.
The 94 3.6 S I belive used the 968 headlights. Is that what you are refereing to by using a lot of 968 parts.
Just wondering.
Enjoy your posts.
What 968 parts did "92 S use?
I thought in 92 the "S" was just a motor packge on a standard car.
Then there was the 1992 "S light weight" with the Recaro built shells & rear side vents and took a lot of from the 964 RS's.
The 94 3.6 S I belive used the 968 headlights. Is that what you are refereing to by using a lot of 968 parts.
Just wondering.
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02-13-2004, 03:31 PM
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Les,
I have a 91 C2Turbo that I am trying to sell. I have a set of the S light weigth seats along with RUF suspention, wheels, spoiler lip and a motor w SC cams, headers, SC intercooler, euro injection....
62K miles, white w black & tan interior.
I am in California.
Keith 916.482.1801
I have a 91 C2Turbo that I am trying to sell. I have a set of the S light weigth seats along with RUF suspention, wheels, spoiler lip and a motor w SC cams, headers, SC intercooler, euro injection....
62K miles, white w black & tan interior.
I am in California.
Keith 916.482.1801
02-13-2004, 03:35 PM
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Oh, I have the factory RSR front brake ducts, a stearing wheel bipass should you want to build your own light weight. Also alread has the RS light flywheel to.
Figure $31.5 w the seats, $30k w the stock seats.
A great car at a give away price. (house remod)
Sorry for all the posts.
Figure $31.5 w the seats, $30k w the stock seats.
A great car at a give away price. (house remod)
Sorry for all the posts.
02-13-2004, 05:25 PM
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Keith, any pictures of the RSR front brake ducts, specifically how it routes through the car to the brakes? My mechanic did not think the kit was effective on a street car because the hoses would be kinked, etc (not enough room in the street car to route the hoses).
02-14-2004, 03:50 AM
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Dear Keith,
What you speak about is a myth.
The 355HP engine kit did not change the designation of the Turbo. If you had the engine kit installed then you had a 355HP Turbo.
I think this may have come about because the engine was redesignated not the car. The 355HP engine was the M30/69S but the Turbo remained a Turbo. The Turbo S had the M30/69SL engine.
Only 81 left the factory with Turbo S on the engine lid.
Summary:
There is only one Turbo S.
There is no such thing as a Turbo S and then a Turbo S lightweight.
Ciao,
Adrian
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What you speak about is a myth.
The 355HP engine kit did not change the designation of the Turbo. If you had the engine kit installed then you had a 355HP Turbo.
I think this may have come about because the engine was redesignated not the car. The 355HP engine was the M30/69S but the Turbo remained a Turbo. The Turbo S had the M30/69SL engine.
Only 81 left the factory with Turbo S on the engine lid.
Summary:
There is only one Turbo S.
There is no such thing as a Turbo S and then a Turbo S lightweight.
Ciao,
Adrian
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02-14-2004, 06:21 AM
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Adrian - Can you expand on 968 Turbo S parts used in the 964 Turbo S.
Apart from the sharing of
Polished 18" speedlines.
RS style 3 spoke non air bag steering wheel
I am not sure what else would have been shared.
Trusting that i have this understood so far but 968 parts ref did confuse me somewhat.
Turbo S ( 3.3 produced in 92 ) only 80 ish built. Would these all have been standard headlight/fenders.
Turbo 3.6S built 93/94 was available as the slant nose ( 968 style headlamps or standard headlight version?)
I have excluded Hong Kong from this as we know form earlier post that they may have had some stranger options.
Apart from the sharing of
Polished 18" speedlines.
RS style 3 spoke non air bag steering wheel
I am not sure what else would have been shared.
Trusting that i have this understood so far but 968 parts ref did confuse me somewhat.
Turbo S ( 3.3 produced in 92 ) only 80 ish built. Would these all have been standard headlight/fenders.
Turbo 3.6S built 93/94 was available as the slant nose ( 968 style headlamps or standard headlight version?)
I have excluded Hong Kong from this as we know form earlier post that they may have had some stranger options.
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This is the 92 Turbo S
There was NO slant nose version in 92 here are the specs.
Name 911 Turbo S
Vehicle Ident. No. from WPO ZZZ 96 Z PS 47 9001
Comparisons in the following description refer to the standard models 911 Turbo models year '92/N and 911 Carrera RS (basic version).
ENGINE
Engine type - M 30/69 SL WITH CATALYTIC CONVERTER
Displacement - 3299 cm3 (3.3 L)
Engine power - 280 kW (381 PS) at 6000 rpm
Torque 490 Nm at 4800 rpm
Bore 97 mm
Stroke 74.4 mm
Compression ratio 7.0:1
Power/volume ratio 84.8 kW/L (115.5 PS/I)
Minimum octane number RON 98 unleaded (Super Plus)
Max. permissible rpm 6800 + 100 rpm
PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed 290 kph
Acceleration 0 - 100 kph 4.7 seconds
Acceleration 0 - 200 kph 14.2 seconds
Acceleration 0 - 250 kph 25.1 seconds
0 - 1000 m, standing start 22.4 seconds
Braking time 100 - 0 kph 2.6
Scope of Modifications
camshafts
injection valves
no servo pump
no A/C compressor - possible with Z order 1555 (A/C system as special equipment)
single fan motor
polished fan ring and fan wheel
air filter housing and intercooler frame painted red
fan tensioner belt coated black
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Transmission
G 50/52 5-speed manual transmission as in standard vehicle, without double-mass flywheel (ZMS).
Scope of Modifications
selected thrust plate (for correct pressure)
clutch operation as in 911 Carrera RS
flywheel - special part
longer guide tube for clutch release bearing
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Running Gear
Scope of Modifications
chassis lowered by 40 mm. Spring strut adjustment as for 911 Carrera RS
Turbo S sports suspension (see list of parts)
brake system with red calipers
brake piston diameter, mm: front 36 + 44, rear 28 + 30
928 GTS mounting screws for front brake calipers (70 mm)
front brake disks - dia. 322 mm
brake pads: front Textar T 4045 (as in 928 GTS), rear Textar T 428
brake pad wear indicator - special Turbo S part
anti-lock brake system as before, but with screw-in regul. 965.355.305.01 on hydr. unit
steering without power assistance (left-hand drive only)
rubber joints between tie rods and steering rack
steering angle stop - 4 mm disk
clampling screw with washer between spring strut and pivot bearing 901.333.143.01, tightening torque 150 Nm
rubber bearings for front axle control arm turned as for 911 Carrera RS
control mount for rear axle trailing arm pressed in offset position (7º)
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Running Gear
engine mount as in 911 Carrera RS
115 mm long screw for engine mount
no gearbox support
light alloy front suspension brace
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Wheels and Tires
three-part light alloy wheels (Cup design)
front axle: 235/40 ZR 18 tires on wheels 8 J x 18 H2, ET 52*
rear axle: 265/40 ZR 18 tires on wheels 10 J x 18 H2, ET 61*
Polished wheels rims and hub caps
* ET = rim offset, in mm.
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Body
Scope of Modifications
reinforced bodyshell
911 Carrera RS center part of rear end
911 Carrera RS bumper brackets
carbon-fiber-reinforced plastic luggage compartment lid
carbon-fiber-reinforced plastic rear spoiler
front air inlet for oil cooler and brake ventilation
air inlets on left and right rear side panel
thin glass windows
92 L fuel tank on left-hand drive vehicles, 77 L on right-hand drive vehicles
luggage compartment carpet with Turbo S logo
polished luggage compartment lid support
second oil cooler at front of vehicle instead of A/C condenser (except with Z order 1555 - A/C system)
no insulation on side and back panels in rear
no PVC underseal
no A/C system - poss. with Z order 1555 (air conditioning system as spec. equipment).
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Interior Equipment
Scope of Modifications
no airbag equipment - possible with Z order 1556
door trim panels as in 911 Carrera RS with leather cover and grip and coloured handle for opening
leather bucket seat with different - coloured center strip, seat bucket painted
3-point coloured seat belt on driver's and passenger's side
F-ATI II steering wheel (except with airbag equipment installed to special order)
rear wall carpet with Turbo S logo
no rear emergency seats and rear seat belts
door lock buttons without LEDs
all controls in leather
leather roof liner
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Electrical Systems
Scope of Modifications
manual outside mirrors
manual windows
no rear window wiper
no central locking system
no alarm system
36 Ah battery
no wire harness for doors
modified front wire harness
small water tank for wiper system (0.70 L)
air inlets instead of fog lamps
no large horn
no lights in engine comparment and luggage compartment
interior lighting on driver's side only
no headlamp wiper system
no electric fan for oil cooler except with Z order 1555 (A/C system)
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Equipment
Colours Available - Exterior Colour Sales-Designation Porsche-Paint No.
Standard colour speed yellow X412 G
Alternatives
guards red G1 80 K
grand prix white P5 908
maritime blue F2 38 P
black A1 741
midnight blue met. F8 37 W
Colours Available - Interior
Equipment cards 941 - 950
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WEIGHT Power-to-weight ratio 4.6 kg/kW 3.38 kg/PS
DIN empty weight 1290 kg
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965turbo
There was NO slant nose version in 92 here are the specs.
Name 911 Turbo S
Vehicle Ident. No. from WPO ZZZ 96 Z PS 47 9001
Comparisons in the following description refer to the standard models 911 Turbo models year '92/N and 911 Carrera RS (basic version).
ENGINE
Engine type - M 30/69 SL WITH CATALYTIC CONVERTER
Displacement - 3299 cm3 (3.3 L)
Engine power - 280 kW (381 PS) at 6000 rpm
Torque 490 Nm at 4800 rpm
Bore 97 mm
Stroke 74.4 mm
Compression ratio 7.0:1
Power/volume ratio 84.8 kW/L (115.5 PS/I)
Minimum octane number RON 98 unleaded (Super Plus)
Max. permissible rpm 6800 + 100 rpm
PERFORMANCE
Maximum speed 290 kph
Acceleration 0 - 100 kph 4.7 seconds
Acceleration 0 - 200 kph 14.2 seconds
Acceleration 0 - 250 kph 25.1 seconds
0 - 1000 m, standing start 22.4 seconds
Braking time 100 - 0 kph 2.6
Scope of Modifications
camshafts
injection valves
no servo pump
no A/C compressor - possible with Z order 1555 (A/C system as special equipment)
single fan motor
polished fan ring and fan wheel
air filter housing and intercooler frame painted red
fan tensioner belt coated black
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Transmission
G 50/52 5-speed manual transmission as in standard vehicle, without double-mass flywheel (ZMS).
Scope of Modifications
selected thrust plate (for correct pressure)
clutch operation as in 911 Carrera RS
flywheel - special part
longer guide tube for clutch release bearing
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Running Gear
Scope of Modifications
chassis lowered by 40 mm. Spring strut adjustment as for 911 Carrera RS
Turbo S sports suspension (see list of parts)
brake system with red calipers
brake piston diameter, mm: front 36 + 44, rear 28 + 30
928 GTS mounting screws for front brake calipers (70 mm)
front brake disks - dia. 322 mm
brake pads: front Textar T 4045 (as in 928 GTS), rear Textar T 428
brake pad wear indicator - special Turbo S part
anti-lock brake system as before, but with screw-in regul. 965.355.305.01 on hydr. unit
steering without power assistance (left-hand drive only)
rubber joints between tie rods and steering rack
steering angle stop - 4 mm disk
clampling screw with washer between spring strut and pivot bearing 901.333.143.01, tightening torque 150 Nm
rubber bearings for front axle control arm turned as for 911 Carrera RS
control mount for rear axle trailing arm pressed in offset position (7º)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Running Gear
engine mount as in 911 Carrera RS
115 mm long screw for engine mount
no gearbox support
light alloy front suspension brace
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wheels and Tires
three-part light alloy wheels (Cup design)
front axle: 235/40 ZR 18 tires on wheels 8 J x 18 H2, ET 52*
rear axle: 265/40 ZR 18 tires on wheels 10 J x 18 H2, ET 61*
Polished wheels rims and hub caps
* ET = rim offset, in mm.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Body
Scope of Modifications
reinforced bodyshell
911 Carrera RS center part of rear end
911 Carrera RS bumper brackets
carbon-fiber-reinforced plastic luggage compartment lid
carbon-fiber-reinforced plastic rear spoiler
front air inlet for oil cooler and brake ventilation
air inlets on left and right rear side panel
thin glass windows
92 L fuel tank on left-hand drive vehicles, 77 L on right-hand drive vehicles
luggage compartment carpet with Turbo S logo
polished luggage compartment lid support
second oil cooler at front of vehicle instead of A/C condenser (except with Z order 1555 - A/C system)
no insulation on side and back panels in rear
no PVC underseal
no A/C system - poss. with Z order 1555 (air conditioning system as spec. equipment).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Interior Equipment
Scope of Modifications
no airbag equipment - possible with Z order 1556
door trim panels as in 911 Carrera RS with leather cover and grip and coloured handle for opening
leather bucket seat with different - coloured center strip, seat bucket painted
3-point coloured seat belt on driver's and passenger's side
F-ATI II steering wheel (except with airbag equipment installed to special order)
rear wall carpet with Turbo S logo
no rear emergency seats and rear seat belts
door lock buttons without LEDs
all controls in leather
leather roof liner
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Electrical Systems
Scope of Modifications
manual outside mirrors
manual windows
no rear window wiper
no central locking system
no alarm system
36 Ah battery
no wire harness for doors
modified front wire harness
small water tank for wiper system (0.70 L)
air inlets instead of fog lamps
no large horn
no lights in engine comparment and luggage compartment
interior lighting on driver's side only
no headlamp wiper system
no electric fan for oil cooler except with Z order 1555 (A/C system)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Equipment
Colours Available - Exterior Colour Sales-Designation Porsche-Paint No.
Standard colour speed yellow X412 G
Alternatives
guards red G1 80 K
grand prix white P5 908
maritime blue F2 38 P
black A1 741
midnight blue met. F8 37 W
Colours Available - Interior
Equipment cards 941 - 950
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WEIGHT Power-to-weight ratio 4.6 kg/kW 3.38 kg/PS
DIN empty weight 1290 kg
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Regards
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02-14-2004, 12:34 PM
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Dear 69OCU,
I would have to get the Turbo S manual back (I returned it to PAG) but a lot of the suspension components were from the 968 Turbo, thrust bearing I remember and quite a bit of other stuff mixed up with RS stuff. Very customised was the Turbo S. Think 968 M030 suspension melded with Carrera RS suspension, wheel carriers, axles and welded reinforced parts and then you have the general idea.
Nothing you can see on the outside by the way.
Ciao,
Adrian
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PS: Dear 965, the top image you have posted is copyrighted to Porsche so I have had to remove it. Sorry about that. I also checked the second one and you have taken that from another site as well. Rennlist does not permit the use of other peoples photos without permission. I have left that one because its copyright owner is unknown to me. Porsche images posted without permission will be removed though.
I would have to get the Turbo S manual back (I returned it to PAG) but a lot of the suspension components were from the 968 Turbo, thrust bearing I remember and quite a bit of other stuff mixed up with RS stuff. Very customised was the Turbo S. Think 968 M030 suspension melded with Carrera RS suspension, wheel carriers, axles and welded reinforced parts and then you have the general idea.
Nothing you can see on the outside by the way.
Ciao,
Adrian
964C4
PS: Dear 965, the top image you have posted is copyrighted to Porsche so I have had to remove it. Sorry about that. I also checked the second one and you have taken that from another site as well. Rennlist does not permit the use of other peoples photos without permission. I have left that one because its copyright owner is unknown to me. Porsche images posted without permission will be removed though.