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Old 05-22-2017, 06:31 PM
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Default 964 with Big Reds, Pad/Bias question

I'm running PFC08's on the 964 with big brakes and the bias innards removed. Noticed something recently after switching tires to 275 BFG R1's - my rears chirp every now and then. Certain corners chirp/get a puff of smoke, at threshold braking just from rears. I don't remember having this issue with Nitto NT01's.

Thinking maybe go to PFC01's in front, not sure. Thanks
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Originally Posted by jellonailer
I'm running PFC08's on the 964 with big brakes and the bias innards removed. Noticed something recently after switching tires to 275 BFG R1's - my rears chirp every now and then. Certain corners chirp/get a puff of smoke, at threshold braking just from rears. I don't remember having this issue with Nitto NT01's.

Thinking maybe go to PFC01's in front, not sure. Thanks
The thing to keep in mind w/ your brake setup is that it is heavily front biased


If you kept the stock rears you are at 2.091 w/o any p/v action, the proportioning valve jumps it to 3.75

If you changed the rears to either 964RS or 993 it goes to 1.713 p/v jumps that to 3.071

On the 964 Cups w/ a setup similar to big red front/993 rear they pull the p/v to get the 1.7

These cars can use a whole bunch more rear brake. 993RS/Cup are 1.426/2.64

The R1 should perform similar to N01,

Given the above I'd suspect an alignment or other issue, perhaps lsd related
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Bill's braking knowledge never ceases to impress. Always ready to go for threads like these.

OP, would you mind sharing your wheel and fender modification info to fit the 275? I know the 964 Cups ran that size with rolled fenders, but to what degree I've yet to find on paper.
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Thanks Bill and TJ.
I am running 993 rears with p/v removed.
As for how I crammed the rears in there:
17x9 ET56mm Fikse Mach V wheels with 8mm of spacer
Fender rolled (actually shot bag and plastic deadblow hammer)
2.5 rear camber, 0.04 toe
Ride height is about 4mm higher - 125mm Front, 227 Rear
Springs are 600F/800R

I will post a picture. Rubbing issue was originally on inside arms so I added 5mm spacer bringing it to 61, then added a couple of mm's for good measure. I mark the tires to watch for rubbing. Good so far.




With Fikse 17's and 225/275 R1's (could be 235's in front cant remember)



With 17" Cup 1's 225/255

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The other change I had made was going to Endless RF650 brake fluid from Motul RBF 600 or 660. In my opinion there IS something to the Endless pedal firmness theory - I like it better.
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Awesome, thank you for the detailed answer. When you say 4mm higher, do you mean than stock, RS, etc?

Thats a lot of tire for a 9" wheel but it looks awesome. If you have a shot from behind I bet it looks pretty rad.
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I believe RS is 125/223.
My car has 1 degree rake
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Well...when you need brakes give us shout....same brakes on my car :-)
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Originally Posted by jellonailer
The other change I had made was going to Endless RF650 brake fluid from Motul RBF 600 or 660. In my opinion there IS something to the Endless pedal firmness theory - I like it better.
Interesting. I just switched from endless to brembo htc64t and it is similar or firmer than endless. Never used motul brake fluids before. Endless is good. So is the brembo stuff.
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I went Endless because HTC64T seemed to hard to find but from what I understood similar to the Endless. So I went that way.
Seems better than both Motuls 600 and 660, and Castrol SRF. Just my subjective experience. Not that I would have said the others were bad by any stretch.



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