gutters delete question
01-25-2016, 05:33 PM
#16
I would question whether removing the rain gutter does not also reduce the structural strength of the roof, particularly in the case of a roll over. How much reduction, I couldn't guess but it seems quite likely regardless. It's significant to note that Ruf's cars with the shaved rain gutters also have an internal roll cage built into his cars. So my point would be that shaving the rain gutters off a 911 would be far more sensible provided a roll cage was also going to be part of the final build.
01-25-2016, 05:37 PM
#17
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
I personally think the car looks nicer without them, I like the smooth look , if anything , to me it looks like it has been design a late Friday before going on holidays ....;-)...
It could be a issue with the value when saling, but I think as long as everything is done with some taste it should not devaluate the car, looking at the Ruf cars and other pictures , it hasn't totally transformed the cars...
If it really improve the aero and handling it will be great, it terms of weight there not much to gain as some welding needs to take place,
The biggest concern is:
is it going to weaken the roof and so on , I have no intention of fitting a welded roll bar.
And is it really going to splash water when it rains ...?!
And last thing is the cost , is it really worth the trouble .....
01-26-2016, 04:40 AM
#19
01-26-2016, 09:26 AM
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01-26-2016, 02:00 PM
#21
RL Technical Advisor
The crimped fold is actually more rigid than butt-welding the three pieces together. In most cases, a roll cage is installed to replace the lost stiffness in the roof section.
When Ruf did this, they installed a very cleverly designed and fabricated roll cage above the headliner so its not visible.
01-26-2016, 06:20 PM
#22
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Welll,....I'd kindly disagree. The crimped fold is actually more rigid than butt-welding the three pieces together. In most cases, a roll cage is installed to replace the lost stiffness in the roof section. When Ruf did this, they installed a very cleverly designed and fabricated roll cage above the headliner so its not visible.
The crimped fold is actually more rigid than butt-welding the three pieces together. In most cases, a roll cage is installed to replace the lost stiffness in the roof section. When Ruf did this, they installed a very cleverly designed and fabricated roll cage above the headliner so its not visible.Hi Steve,
Well , a part from a safety issue ,
by being weaker do you think it will mess with the handling of the car,
02-02-2016, 03:58 PM
#23
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02-02-2016, 06:23 PM
#25
Three Wheelin'
Was discussing this with a friend contemplating removing the gutters on his g body... He's done it before, but says the issue becomes weld penetration. No access to properly protect the welds from underneath in the rear fender area. Food for thought
02-03-2016, 04:40 AM
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02-03-2016, 10:22 AM
#29
Rennlist Member
He looks really busy at the moment... lots of 964 work!
Some of Lemass' Facebook pics:
Some of Lemass' Facebook pics:
02-03-2016, 10:23 AM
#30
That surprises me Steve, I thought the fact that it's only spot welded would have undone any additional strength of the folded seam. Although I'm sure you'll be much more knowledgeable than me on this sort of thing!