mooty

how can one tell if a 964 is a real cup car (the first 45 or so) or if it's converted by andial?

Cuppie

When you mean a 'real' Cup Car, do you mean a real European Cup Car?

The Andial 45 were all 'converted' Euro spec RS's. All GP white except one red car. Only 25 of the 29 shipped to Andial were converted to full Cup spec. After the series was cancelled the cars were converted back to the original RS spec. There should be a dash plaque with the Carrera Cup USA logo and the car's VIN number underneath, range 20000-28000, which includes USA/Canada C2 coupes. The '45' were unconsecutively 20392-20602.

Ref: Panorama, May '93.

Hope this helps.

Mel
Euro spec '91 Cup Car owner!!

Cupcar

Some furthur small points on the USA cars, the dash plaque on the Andial conversion cars has a number 1 to 25 in addition to the VIN number to indicate that is was converted. Also. the converted cars have the remnant of 2 roll cage tubes still in the engine compartment and have the harder rubber Cup/RSR steering couplers still installed in the steering rack.

mooty

hum, i saw one, white on black with RS sport seats. seller says it's the FIRST cup car, seam welded, not andial converted.... seems to contridict the infor here? so i i got it right, they were ALL coveverted car.

Cuppie

Coveted, certainly. Converted, maybe....

;-)

Mel

Cupcar#12

i have a VIN control list on my site @ http://www.lynchracing.com/cups/cupmain.htm

I show the first car as WP0AB 2968NS 420392 - but this may not be the first converted (or not)
the conversion order was based on the completion of the car rather than the VIN and can only be verified by the Plaque on the dash (or the Andial Finish list)
Btw- the Red one was Tub'd and rebuilt (mine is jsut wrecked not Tub'd)

Cupcar#12

I also show that VIN WP0AB 2968NS 420392 was not convered to Race car specs - and was not a Parts Car either - only the first 3 were like this, these cars arrived first to test the importing waters and i believe were never sent to Andial for conversion rather were held in reserve along with the rest of them to replace losses on the track.

Cupcar

The picture of the car featured in the Panorama magazine article: "Lightweight Carrera Confusion" is actually #392, the first car made for the American Carrera Cup series. It was a trial production car created well before regular production had begun to check production procedures for the final run of cars. Therefore #392 has some Euro RS features not on the following "production" cars such as the bracket for the RS windshield washer bottle in the trunk and the brackets removed from the rear seating area. The carpeting was glued down flat in the rear of #392. To save cost and facilitate conversion to a racing car, the production cars did not have the bottle bracket and all the brackets were left for the rear seats so the carpet could not be glued down flat, in fact the carpet was barely glued into the cars at the factory so it could be easily removed by Andial. The 16 unconverted cars were eventually delivered with the carpet barely stuck to the car. The converted/reconverted cars had the carpeting better glued down by Andial in the reconversion to street cars.

clubrcr

Mooty:

I have #3 of the Andial cup cars. I was able to get help from the CupCar and CupCar#12 but also from G&W Motorsports. I was told G&W has records on all the US Carrera Cups. You might want to get in touch with them.