Great AMERICAN 964s for sale
03-26-2014, 12:29 AM
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Guy's, Hawk911 especially, it's interesting how you view prices for 964's in the States.
I'm travelling on business in Germany this week, my business is Classic Car related. I'm not a dealer, but work with them.
I spent yesterday afternoon at a place called Classic Remise or you may have heard of it by its previous name Millenwerks Dusseldorf. It's basically a hub for local specialists to work from, so within its walls there are repair shops, trimmers and car sales people all independent of each other, but under the same roof.
There are a number of 964's for sale.
So, the prices varied. A Coupe for sale at approx. €29k, 3 x Cab's all autos and priced up in the mid to high €30's and two Auto Coupe's in the high €30's.
Most of these cars were Tiptronic's, just one was a Manuel.
Now, I know these price differences are to some extent exchange rate related, but for now this is the way prices for these cars is going, so be prepared to see higher prices yet for these.
I'm not sure of the differences between the European RS and the RSA, but RSA's are a bargain by comparison.
Here is an RSA currently for sale in Germany and listed on www.mobile.de
http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat...nCategory=true
Hawk911, what I'm saying is, your car could be worth something like $45k in Germany depending on condition etc.
Current exchange rate is approx. €1 = $1.38
All the WTB threads, with guys looking for that perfect $15k car are going, going gone.
Just saying!
I'm travelling on business in Germany this week, my business is Classic Car related. I'm not a dealer, but work with them.
I spent yesterday afternoon at a place called Classic Remise or you may have heard of it by its previous name Millenwerks Dusseldorf. It's basically a hub for local specialists to work from, so within its walls there are repair shops, trimmers and car sales people all independent of each other, but under the same roof.
There are a number of 964's for sale.
So, the prices varied. A Coupe for sale at approx. €29k, 3 x Cab's all autos and priced up in the mid to high €30's and two Auto Coupe's in the high €30's.
Most of these cars were Tiptronic's, just one was a Manuel.
Now, I know these price differences are to some extent exchange rate related, but for now this is the way prices for these cars is going, so be prepared to see higher prices yet for these.
I'm not sure of the differences between the European RS and the RSA, but RSA's are a bargain by comparison.
Here is an RSA currently for sale in Germany and listed on www.mobile.de
http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat...nCategory=true
Hawk911, what I'm saying is, your car could be worth something like $45k in Germany depending on condition etc.
Current exchange rate is approx. €1 = $1.38
All the WTB threads, with guys looking for that perfect $15k car are going, going gone.
Just saying!
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03-26-2014, 02:01 AM
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03-26-2014, 03:11 AM
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03-26-2014, 09:38 AM
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Believe you me I understand what is driving prices up. However for some reason the RSA market seems to be uniquely over inflated. The only explanation can be the ROW market sees the RSA as a true RS without understanding it has little in common. Eventually they will figure it out.
Either the 964 has become desirable or not. I see it increasing in desirability but to see RSA asking prices more than 100% over a comparable C2 means to me that this is just the uneducated buying whatever they can that sounds unique. Something I had seen before buying up 911's in the 80's from Switzerland and Germany and shipping them to the US. It was only a matter of time before the consumer wised up.
The internet is fueling this a lot faster than it did in the 80's and it can crush this market as quickly as it created it.
Either the 964 has become desirable or not. I see it increasing in desirability but to see RSA asking prices more than 100% over a comparable C2 means to me that this is just the uneducated buying whatever they can that sounds unique. Something I had seen before buying up 911's in the 80's from Switzerland and Germany and shipping them to the US. It was only a matter of time before the consumer wised up.
The internet is fueling this a lot faster than it did in the 80's and it can crush this market as quickly as it created it.
03-26-2014, 09:43 AM
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I fully understand that any saleable good is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I just think an initial offer of $17.5k is low, 18.5 is closer to acceptable-- closer.
03-26-2014, 10:40 AM
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Drifting
Geoff - I know you want to sell it but I think you are selling yourself short. Yes it has a couple of mechanical issue (PS leak and top) but what 964 doesn't? These cars are 20+ years old after all, and I don't think that these are huge obstacles. A replaced front fender and bumper due to a kiss with a tree is more of a concern, but it can be overcome if you can substantiate the damage with pictures. After all, many cars out there may have had some damage/repaint with no disclosure in their ad.
For instance, about a year ago, there was a Targa for sale on RL that I was considering (looking back, I should have bought it). The owner disclosed that it was hit while parked in a lot and that the front fender/bumper were damaged, and he posted pictures of the damage in his ad. That did not stop strong interest from buyers and the car sold in no time. However, besides its strong mechanical shape, it was also very clean looking with every cosmetic issue addressed.
I think that what you need to do is to spruce it up so that it looks more presentable. Address the cosmetic issues that a potential buyer will see right away, these will hurt you more than a disclosed leak or top binding. If the potential owner can't fall in love with the car, it doesn't matter how mechanically sound it is, he/she will walk away.
So, at first glance from your pictures, put the RSD and rear mats back in, fix the gauges glass, hire someone to dye/fix the leather/vinyl, and R&R the engine sound pad. These are improvements you can do for little to no money and that will have a huge impact. Then have someone detail the inside to remove any stain, detail the engine, and detail the paint. A paint correction may be needed depending on condition. Then take your car somewhere interesting and shoot some killer pictures (I know you have the gear).
These initial steps should help you market your Cab better and generate more interest. Yes, the Coupe market is hot but it doesn't mean the Cab market is not. Coupe/Targa/Cab is merely a lifestyle choice and the Cab prices will be sucked upward as long as there is interest in the model.
Put a little effort in it, you may be pleasantly surprised. On a side note, there is a local guy selling a black rear deck and wing for $250. I think it is a bit high since it has no gear/motor for the wing, but it is the right color and it may be something to think about in case a potential buyer has an aversion to the tea tray.
GLWS.
For instance, about a year ago, there was a Targa for sale on RL that I was considering (looking back, I should have bought it). The owner disclosed that it was hit while parked in a lot and that the front fender/bumper were damaged, and he posted pictures of the damage in his ad. That did not stop strong interest from buyers and the car sold in no time. However, besides its strong mechanical shape, it was also very clean looking with every cosmetic issue addressed.
I think that what you need to do is to spruce it up so that it looks more presentable. Address the cosmetic issues that a potential buyer will see right away, these will hurt you more than a disclosed leak or top binding. If the potential owner can't fall in love with the car, it doesn't matter how mechanically sound it is, he/she will walk away.
So, at first glance from your pictures, put the RSD and rear mats back in, fix the gauges glass, hire someone to dye/fix the leather/vinyl, and R&R the engine sound pad. These are improvements you can do for little to no money and that will have a huge impact. Then have someone detail the inside to remove any stain, detail the engine, and detail the paint. A paint correction may be needed depending on condition. Then take your car somewhere interesting and shoot some killer pictures (I know you have the gear).
These initial steps should help you market your Cab better and generate more interest. Yes, the Coupe market is hot but it doesn't mean the Cab market is not. Coupe/Targa/Cab is merely a lifestyle choice and the Cab prices will be sucked upward as long as there is interest in the model.
Put a little effort in it, you may be pleasantly surprised. On a side note, there is a local guy selling a black rear deck and wing for $250. I think it is a bit high since it has no gear/motor for the wing, but it is the right color and it may be something to think about in case a potential buyer has an aversion to the tea tray.
GLWS.
Last edited by LPMM; 03-26-2014 at 10:55 AM.
03-26-2014, 12:54 PM
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Great to see this thread is working.
How about a Slantnose http://www.motorcargroup.com/web/use...-Ohio/1305861/
How about a Slantnose http://www.motorcargroup.com/web/use...-Ohio/1305861/
03-26-2014, 02:52 PM
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http://www.excellence-mag.com/classi...5#.UzMTgKg7vrw
Wow... asking prices are sure going UP for the nice examples.
Wow... asking prices are sure going UP for the nice examples.
03-26-2014, 04:30 PM
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^ dont drive it sell to me
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03-27-2014, 09:49 AM
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Good luck with it.
04-07-2014, 10:33 AM
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Here's a white tip for sale:
http://cars.trovit.com/index.php/cod...n_type.1/pop.0
If you browse through the website you will see a selection of 964's for sale.
http://cars.trovit.com/index.php/cod...n_type.1/pop.0
If you browse through the website you will see a selection of 964's for sale.
Last edited by STUARTQ; 04-07-2014 at 01:57 PM.