PDK and aircooled engine in a 964... whats the route of least resistance?!
01-21-2014, 02:14 PM
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This is way above my technical and mechanical pay grade so wondering if there is anyone around who might be able to tell me how this could be done if at all.
I am happy to consider any air cooled engine with as much power as a 2wd could cope with. I assume there could be other auxiliary areas of a later car that might need to be included like traction control / abs ....
The reasoning behind this is that I have finally saved enough to start a 964 backdate project that will be fairly extensive in terms of quality and spec and feel the 964 C2 engine and tip gearbox will be the weak link. I also appreciate that to many the thought of doing this project without a manual gearbox is boarding on sacrilegious (this is not an option for my circumstance) and I hope that the PDK will add some interest and better driver involvement.
Thank you in advance for any help with this.
I am happy to consider any air cooled engine with as much power as a 2wd could cope with. I assume there could be other auxiliary areas of a later car that might need to be included like traction control / abs ....
The reasoning behind this is that I have finally saved enough to start a 964 backdate project that will be fairly extensive in terms of quality and spec and feel the 964 C2 engine and tip gearbox will be the weak link. I also appreciate that to many the thought of doing this project without a manual gearbox is boarding on sacrilegious (this is not an option for my circumstance) and I hope that the PDK will add some interest and better driver involvement.
Thank you in advance for any help with this.
PDK is only going to happen with a 3.8L DFI water cooled engine and electronics from a 2009+ (Plan on at least $25k for that combo from a wreck)
This set up would be interesting but with PDK there is zero driver involvement.
This project will eat 3000+ man hours and at least $100k in hard cash. (And that is if you do not walk away from the project)
I suggest buying a PDK 997 and give it the sport classic theme or backdate a tiptronic 964 with a strong 3.8L.
01-21-2014, 03:34 PM
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I would love to have PDK in mine also but figured its never going to happen. Instead I retrofitted shift paddles that can be used in manual mode... see link below:
https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...tiptronic.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...tiptronic.html
01-21-2014, 04:12 PM
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Funny, I don't want a paddle shift for my 964, it's a manual anyway, but I've had steering wheel paddles on a number of cars. One of them being a Brabus Smart and if I've been driving that around, then jump into the 964, I'm forever trying to change gear with paddles that aren't there.
I don't agree that paddles make driving less involving, it can be much quicker and smoother.
I don't agree that paddles make driving less involving, it can be much quicker and smoother.
01-21-2014, 04:20 PM
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I assume there is a medical reason for wanting a clutch less gearbox...
The Ruf system is supposed to be very good. I recall a Running Report write up in 911 & Porsche World from a guy with a 993 RS many years ago. He had high praise for the system. If you can track down one of these that would be interesting. You need a manual car as a basis I believe.
The Ruf system is supposed to be very good. I recall a Running Report write up in 911 & Porsche World from a guy with a 993 RS many years ago. He had high praise for the system. If you can track down one of these that would be interesting. You need a manual car as a basis I believe.
01-21-2014, 05:22 PM
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I assume there is a medical reason for wanting a clutch less gearbox...
The Ruf system is supposed to be very good. I recall a Running Report write up in 911 & Porsche World from a guy with a 993 RS many years ago. He had high praise for the system. If you can track down one of these that would be interesting. You need a manual car as a basis I believe.
The Ruf system is supposed to be very good. I recall a Running Report write up in 911 & Porsche World from a guy with a 993 RS many years ago. He had high praise for the system. If you can track down one of these that would be interesting. You need a manual car as a basis I believe.
01-21-2014, 10:06 PM
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I assume there is a medical reason for wanting a clutch less gearbox...
The Ruf system is supposed to be very good. I recall a Running Report write up in 911 & Porsche World from a guy with a 993 RS many years ago. He had high praise for the system. If you can track down one of these that would be interesting. You need a manual car as a basis I believe.
The Ruf system is supposed to be very good. I recall a Running Report write up in 911 & Porsche World from a guy with a 993 RS many years ago. He had high praise for the system. If you can track down one of these that would be interesting. You need a manual car as a basis I believe.
On the OP's questions, PDKs are too complicated, especially since they are only fitted to the new, non-Metzger engine blocks.
But you may want to consider the 996 gearbox, which I'm told will fit with mods. Or more interestingly, a 997.1 Turbo 7 speeder, which can take up to 1000 Nm of torque. It's also a quick shift ZF box. Paddles could be fitted I suppose.
02-09-2014, 03:19 PM
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997.1 turbo 7 speeder? The manual offered on the 997.1 was a 6 speed, and the tiptronic (tiptronic S) was a 5 speed. The PDK as we all know is 7 speed and there is also the 991 7 speed manual. So which one were you referring to? 
02-09-2014, 10:09 PM
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Ever since we dumped the clutch at 4000 rpm in the latest, 997-based, 480-hp 911 Turbo, we've been keeping the Tiptronic (Porsche-speak for automatic) version in the back of our mind. That's because Porsche's claimed acceleration times for the slushbox Turbo are 0.3-second quicker to 60 mph.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test
The other thing as well is that PDKs were never fitted on Metzger or Metzger based engines, that's why I find the 997.1 Turbo more interesting. Can take far more torque than a PDK based 997.2 Turbo as well.
