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Here's a picture from the PET for the '87-'89 cars, showing like ten different front glass versions (and there are two different trim versions as well—so cray)
^--- I think the correct glass is one of the first two "1's"
The windshield frame pinch weld lip for the windshield seal was increased from approximately
10mm to approximately
15mm. This change required a new type windshield and windshield frame seal.
From production date (approx.): October 13, 1988
from VIN (approx.)
91_KS12 0509- Carrera Coupe
91_KS16 0462- Carrera Targa
91_KS17 0584- Carrera Convertible
93_KS05 0265- Turbo Coupe
93_KS06 0072 - Turbo Targa
93_KS07 0275- Turbo Convertible
Note: Introduction date and VIN's are approximate. Measure pinch weld lip to determine the correct windshield and
windshield seal application.
Here's a picture from the PET for the '87-'89 cars, showing like ten different front glass versions (and there are two different trim versions as well—so cray)
^--- I think the correct glass is one of the first two "1's"
The different screens are different tints, aerial and non aerial, with and without mirror boss.
This is great information, but it doesn't really apply in this situation:
I'm looking to take a 964—with its black rubber/plastic windshield trim—and convert to the older "chrome" look
In order to accomplish this, I need to get G body / "3.2" glass, trim, and seals
The problem is that in the PET, there are sometimes two versions of seemingly the same glass, or seemingly the same trim, and it's hard to know which to get, and which glass goes with which trim
Originally Posted by 964russ
The different screens are different tints, aerial and non aerial, with and without mirror boss.
What is "aerial" vs "non aerial?" And how do I know which ones have the mirror boss or not? That's not listed in the PET. And Pelican searches for those part numbers redirect to what they're selling, which isn't the same part number.
[*]The problem is that in the PET, there are sometimes two versions of seemingly the same glass, or seemingly the same trim, and it's hard to know which to get, and which glass goes with which trim[/LIST]
Yes, Porsche changed the windshield frame (the lip is 5mm larger on the 964 to accommodate the newer style per above TSB) which happened to occur at the very end of production of the 3.2 in 1988. That is why you are seeing two of everything, usage depends on which chassis you have.
Code:
Sekuriflex (Saint Gobain)- Laminated 0.5mm Polyurethane Safety Sheet On Inner Side
Sigla (Pilkington) - Plastic Sandwich Laminated Between Glass
WITH Trim Frame WITHOUT Trim Frame
Tinted: 911.541.011.26 964.541.011.09
Tinted Dark Green: 911.541.011.27 964.541.011.10
Clear: 911.541.011.06 964.541.011.02
Cover Plate: 911.541.921.01.70K
Trim Frame (L): 911.541.911.01.70K
Trim Frame (R): 911.541.912.01.70K
Seal: 911.541.225.04 964.541.225.00
Yes, Porsche changed the windshield frame (the lip is 5mm larger on the 964 to accommodate the newer style per above TSB) which happened to occur at the very end of production of the 3.2 in 1988. That is why you are seeing two of everything, usage depends on which chassis you have.
Code:
Sekuriflex (Saint Gobain)- Laminated 0.5mm Polyurethane Safety Sheet
Sigla (Pilkington)
WITH Trim Frame WITHOUT Trim Frame
Tinted: 911.541.011.26 964.541.011.09
Tinted Dark Green: 911.541.011.27 964.541.011.10
Clear: 911.541.011.06 964.541.011.02
Cover Plate: 911.541.921.01.70K
Trim Frame (L): 911.541.911.01.70K
Trim Frame (R): 911.541.912.01.70K
Seal: 911.541.225.04 964.541.225.00
Right. So if I had a 3.2, I would need to know which chassis I had to pick the right set of glass/trim.
But I have a 964. So none of that should matter. I'm trying to figure out which one to choose for the 964 for a backdate. Make sense?
PET, TSBs and workshop manuals. Before ordering anything you should try to get your hands on the installation TSBs and manuals!
Originally Posted by ToniWonKanobi
2. What's the difference between "Tinted" and "Tinted Dark Green?"
The upper tint strip is halftoned greyish-blue and the other is dark green? I would search the other 911 forums for confirmation as I don't have access to either windshield.
Originally Posted by ToniWonKanobi
3. Also, there's no ambiguity when it comes to which trim for the front. But the *Rear* has like two or three options.
Code:
< MY84 911.545.105.00 (clear with single stage heating)
911.545.107.00 (tinted with two stage heating)
> MY86 911.631.073.00 (light frame with two stage heating) - USA
911.545.225.00 Seal
911.545.911.00.70K Trim Frame (L)
911.545.912.00.70K Trim Frame (R)
PET, TSBs and workshop manuals. Before ordering anything you should try to get your hands on the installation TSBs and manuals!
The upper tint strip is halftoned greyish-blue and the other is dark green? I would search the other 911 forums for confirmation as I don't have access to either windshield.
Code:
< MY84 911.545.105.00 (clear with single stage heating)
911.545.107.00 (tinted with two stage heating)
> MY86 911.631.073.00 (light frame with two stage heating) - USA
911.545.225.00 Seal
911.545.911.00.70K Trim Frame (L)
911.545.912.00.70K Trim Frame (R)
How do I know I shouldn't use the 911 545 811 00 (L) and 911 545 812 00 (R) for the rear trim?
For some reason the previous numbers I gave were for MY86. If you are going to do a backdate then find/buy copies of the workshop manuals and TSBs where all of this is covered. I couldn't even begin to guess if these part numbers will fit a 964 properly.
Code:
911.545.107.00 No (Exterior) Brake Lamp
911.545.071.00 Lower Brake Lamp
911.631.073.00 Upper Brake Lamp
911.541.921.01.70K Cover Plate 911.541.821.00.70K Cover Plate
911.545.911.00.70K Trim Frame (L) Blk-Alum 911.545.811.00.70K Trim Frame (L) Blk-Plastic
911.545.912.00.70K Trim Frame (R) Blk-Alum 911.545.812.00.70K Trim Frame (R) Blk-Plastic
911.545.225.00 Seal
Interestingly I was looking at an 89 3.2 yesterday. November '88 build probably one of the last made. It had both front and rear 964 glass and rubber trim amongst a couple of other 964 items. The original windshield was Sigla (964) vs Sekurit as used on the 3.2. I mistakingly purchased a 3.2 Sekurit a while back for my 964. It had the antenna in the windshield but was 5mm smaller all around. I could not use it with the 964 rubber but I don't know if it would fit with the 3.2 rubber and metal trim.
I installed a 3.2 windshield in an 85 a few weeks back. The rubber didn't appear to be larger and not sure how much the metal trim pushes the rubber out. I do know you can stretch the rubber to fit cleanly by using the metal trim on the Carrera's.
No doubt as they changed models from 3.2 to 964 a lot of parts were changed over very similar to the late build 964's that use 993 parts.
Jason the TSB does not show any chance you can post it again.
Interestingly I was looking at an 89 3.2 yesterday. November '88 build probably one of the last made. It had both front and rear 964 glass and rubber trim amongst a couple of other 964 items. The original windshield was Sigla (964) vs Sekurit as used on the 3.2. I mistakingly purchased a 3.2 Sekurit a while back for my 964. It had the antenna in the windshield but was 5mm smaller all around. I could not use it with the 964 rubber but I don't know if it would fit with the 3.2 rubber and metal trim.
I installed a 3.2 windshield in an 85 a few weeks back. The rubber didn't appear to be larger and not sure how much the metal trim pushes the rubber out. I do know you can stretch the rubber to fit cleanly by using the metal trim on the Carrera's.
No doubt as they changed models from 3.2 to 964 a lot of parts were changed over very similar to the late build 964's that use 993 parts.
Jason the TSB does not show any chance you can post it again.
It had the antenna in the windshield but was 5mm smaller all around.
The windshield opening was changed from the 3.2 to the 964 and again with the 993. Possibly to increase the surface area for the adhesive? Somewhere in a box I have a printed release doc from the 993 introduction that described the change.
Originally Posted by cobalt
Jason the TSB does not show any chance you can post it again.
The Rennlist member websites are down for the moment. If it doesn't come back online I will grab/find my local copy of it.
02-19-2017, 05:05 PM
