964 Backdate
02-07-2013, 06:40 PM
#16
Burning Brakes
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Front and rear arches
Moving oil thermostat and pipes
Depth of luggage well reduced
Engine lid replaced (he said he used a 3.2 lid) w/chrome grill
Wing mirror holes deleted
Roll the arches
Extend bonnet / add center filler hole
Rear Light clusters w/chrome detailing
Front horn grill
Paint
02-07-2013, 08:48 PM
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this is cheaper than 100k.
http://rauhwelt-usa.com/pricing/964-narrow-street/
I did see somewhere an oil line kit to make the oil lines less noticeable. For a conversion like this.
http://rauhwelt-usa.com/pricing/964-narrow-street/
I did see somewhere an oil line kit to make the oil lines less noticeable. For a conversion like this.
02-09-2013, 09:00 AM
#18
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Well....i got the details.
Please find detailed indicative pricing for 911 Sport Touring as follows:
- Donor 964: provided by yourself or sourced by ourselves at cost
- Widebody conversion - All Carbon Fibre £18000
- Widebody conversion - Steel Wings and Carbon bumpers £21000
Price includes all body conversion parts and labour including panel adjustments, relocation of oil pipes and apparatus, paint, chromeware, lights, grills and badges.
- interior retrim in vinyl & high grade carpet £2600
- replica period recaros in vinyl £2300
- dash backdate £500
- 17" Fuchs £2400, tyre choice at cost
- Suspension lowering with Bilstein shocks and Koni springs inc Setup £3000
- exhaust with decat pipe £1000
The only unknown that would need clarification would be any specific bumper impact requirements for the US market. The conversion involves the removal of the front and rear aluminium irons to accommodate the backdate bumpers.
With kind regards
Johnny
Www.911sporttouring.com
Please find detailed indicative pricing for 911 Sport Touring as follows:
- Donor 964: provided by yourself or sourced by ourselves at cost
- Widebody conversion - All Carbon Fibre £18000
- Widebody conversion - Steel Wings and Carbon bumpers £21000
Price includes all body conversion parts and labour including panel adjustments, relocation of oil pipes and apparatus, paint, chromeware, lights, grills and badges.
- interior retrim in vinyl & high grade carpet £2600
- replica period recaros in vinyl £2300
- dash backdate £500
- 17" Fuchs £2400, tyre choice at cost
- Suspension lowering with Bilstein shocks and Koni springs inc Setup £3000
- exhaust with decat pipe £1000
The only unknown that would need clarification would be any specific bumper impact requirements for the US market. The conversion involves the removal of the front and rear aluminium irons to accommodate the backdate bumpers.
With kind regards
Johnny
Www.911sporttouring.com
02-09-2013, 12:10 PM
#19
Rennlist Member
Well....i got the details.
Please find detailed indicative pricing for 911 Sport Touring as follows:
- Donor 964: provided by yourself or sourced by ourselves at cost
- Widebody conversion - All Carbon Fibre £18000
- Widebody conversion - Steel Wings and Carbon bumpers £21000
Price includes all body conversion parts and labour including panel adjustments, relocation of oil pipes and apparatus, paint, chromeware, lights, grills and badges.
- interior retrim in vinyl & high grade carpet £2600
- replica period recaros in vinyl £2300
- dash backdate £500
- 17" Fuchs £2400, tyre choice at cost
- Suspension lowering with Bilstein shocks and Koni springs inc Setup £3000
- exhaust with decat pipe £1000
The only unknown that would need clarification would be any specific bumper impact requirements for the US market. The conversion involves the removal of the front and rear aluminium irons to accommodate the backdate bumpers.
With kind regards
Johnny
Www.911sporttouring.com
Please find detailed indicative pricing for 911 Sport Touring as follows:
- Donor 964: provided by yourself or sourced by ourselves at cost
- Widebody conversion - All Carbon Fibre £18000
- Widebody conversion - Steel Wings and Carbon bumpers £21000
Price includes all body conversion parts and labour including panel adjustments, relocation of oil pipes and apparatus, paint, chromeware, lights, grills and badges.
- interior retrim in vinyl & high grade carpet £2600
- replica period recaros in vinyl £2300
- dash backdate £500
- 17" Fuchs £2400, tyre choice at cost
- Suspension lowering with Bilstein shocks and Koni springs inc Setup £3000
- exhaust with decat pipe £1000
The only unknown that would need clarification would be any specific bumper impact requirements for the US market. The conversion involves the removal of the front and rear aluminium irons to accommodate the backdate bumpers.
With kind regards
Johnny
Www.911sporttouring.com
Bumpers look like those from a 67 911R. Can anyone confirm this?
Last edited by GBX; 02-09-2013 at 12:30 PM.
02-09-2013, 02:23 PM
#20
There are sources for properly made (from scratch) steel flares that copy either the RSR or ST profiles & widths. Here in the US, TRE is probably your best source for stamped steel ST flares, dunno about the RSRs. Another approach that's been successful for me is using standard 930 flares then metalworked them to get similar results to the RSRs. Same can be done for the STs but are more work because their widths are not common to any production profile (between SC or 930). The bumpers can start out as fiberglass RSRs then reduce the ends so they have more taper and glass end caps back on that match the new profile.
02-09-2013, 03:10 PM
#21
Shannon
Have you seen the Paul Stephens 964 back dates?
http://www.paul-stephens.com
https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...-new-pics.html
Nicer imo.
Have you seen the Paul Stephens 964 back dates?
http://www.paul-stephens.com
https://rennlist.com/forums/964-foru...-new-pics.html
Nicer imo.
02-09-2013, 03:25 PM
#22
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I think I have run across his stuff sometime in the recent past....Gorgeous for sure.
You car is awesome as well......Love your comments on Black Betty...Molested !
You car is awesome as well......Love your comments on Black Betty...Molested !
02-09-2013, 03:26 PM
#23
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
There are sources for properly made (from scratch) steel flares that copy either the RSR or ST profiles & widths. Here in the US, TRE is probably your best source for stamped steel ST flares, dunno about the RSRs. Another approach that's been successful for me is using standard 930 flares then metalworked them to get similar results to the RSRs. Same can be done for the STs but are more work because their widths are not common to any production profile (between SC or 930). The bumpers can start out as fiberglass RSRs then reduce the ends so they have more taper and glass end caps back on that match the new profile.
02-09-2013, 06:17 PM
#24
Yes, I'm amidst one ST build and another right behind it. I'll get some pics up later today (hopefully). Both of these cars are built on longhood chassis, however. I backdated an '85 to 73RSR last year. Looking for a 964 candidate next!
02-09-2013, 07:05 PM
#25
Rennlist Member
Also, can anyone confirm that that front bumper is from a 911R? Thanks!
02-09-2013, 07:56 PM
#27
A little history:
All of the flares from the 930 spawned from the RSR, longhood '73 being the first. The STs came before the RSRs, factory started that program in '69 or '70. STs are particularly hard to say there's a "standard" as many of them were customer ordered to be built for different race classifications. Some STs had no front flares, just standard fenders for the time. All ST and RSR fenders of the time were hand-fab'd by factory staff then many race teams went on to further modify them - or they got wrecked and the repairman of the time did whatever he did to get back into the basic shape.
RSR fenders are typically 2" wider in the rear than ST but about the same in the front. And, STs are about 1" wider than RS/SC rears. ST flares typically tapered inward to the body quite a bit as they came down to the bottom of the car. Both ST and RSR flares have a very soft shoulder along the top of the arch vs the 930 which is rather squared off. The front wheel opening profile on the RSRs and STs is squared off a bit at the, say, 10:30 and 1:30 positions. The 930s are more of constant radius wheel opening.
The bumper in question appears to be a flared R bumper.
All of the flares from the 930 spawned from the RSR, longhood '73 being the first. The STs came before the RSRs, factory started that program in '69 or '70. STs are particularly hard to say there's a "standard" as many of them were customer ordered to be built for different race classifications. Some STs had no front flares, just standard fenders for the time. All ST and RSR fenders of the time were hand-fab'd by factory staff then many race teams went on to further modify them - or they got wrecked and the repairman of the time did whatever he did to get back into the basic shape.
RSR fenders are typically 2" wider in the rear than ST but about the same in the front. And, STs are about 1" wider than RS/SC rears. ST flares typically tapered inward to the body quite a bit as they came down to the bottom of the car. Both ST and RSR flares have a very soft shoulder along the top of the arch vs the 930 which is rather squared off. The front wheel opening profile on the RSRs and STs is squared off a bit at the, say, 10:30 and 1:30 positions. The 930s are more of constant radius wheel opening.
The bumper in question appears to be a flared R bumper.
02-09-2013, 08:11 PM
#28
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A little history:
All of the flares from the 930 spawned from the RSR, longhood '73 being the first. The STs came before the RSRs, factory started that program in '69 or '70. STs are particularly hard to say there's a "standard" as many of them were customer ordered to be built for different race classifications. Some STs had no front flares, just standard fenders for the time. All ST and RSR fenders of the time were hand-fab'd by factory staff then many race teams went on to further modify them - or they got wrecked and the repairman of the time did whatever he did to get back into the basic shape.
RSR fenders are typically 2" wider in the rear than ST but about the same in the front. And, STs are about 1" wider than RS/SC rears. ST flares typically tapered inward to the body quite a bit as they came down to the bottom of the car. Both ST and RSR flares have a very soft shoulder along the top of the arch vs the 930 which is rather squared off. The front wheel opening profile on the RSRs and STs is squared off a bit at the, say, 10:30 and 1:30 positions. The 930s are more of constant radius wheel opening.
The bumper in question appears to be a flared R bumper.
All of the flares from the 930 spawned from the RSR, longhood '73 being the first. The STs came before the RSRs, factory started that program in '69 or '70. STs are particularly hard to say there's a "standard" as many of them were customer ordered to be built for different race classifications. Some STs had no front flares, just standard fenders for the time. All ST and RSR fenders of the time were hand-fab'd by factory staff then many race teams went on to further modify them - or they got wrecked and the repairman of the time did whatever he did to get back into the basic shape.
RSR fenders are typically 2" wider in the rear than ST but about the same in the front. And, STs are about 1" wider than RS/SC rears. ST flares typically tapered inward to the body quite a bit as they came down to the bottom of the car. Both ST and RSR flares have a very soft shoulder along the top of the arch vs the 930 which is rather squared off. The front wheel opening profile on the RSRs and STs is squared off a bit at the, say, 10:30 and 1:30 positions. The 930s are more of constant radius wheel opening.
The bumper in question appears to be a flared R bumper.
02-09-2013, 08:19 PM
#29
I'm in Monterey, CA. Yes, I think the 964 platform offers more versatility for someone to make it into something his/her own, practical and use-able as a street car/hot rod. This is probably why Singer has chosen the same platform for their cars without going to the expense of a 993 as the donor. I'm not looking for a donor car/chassis, rather, I meant, looking for a client to do the project with!
02-09-2013, 08:59 PM
#30
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I'm in Monterey, CA. Yes, I think the 964 platform offers more versatility for someone to make it into something his/her own, practical and use-able as a street car/hot rod. This is probably why Singer has chosen the same platform for their cars without going to the expense of a 993 as the donor. I'm not looking for a donor car/chassis, rather, I meant, looking for a client to do the project with!
I think the 911 Touring Porsche (link referenced in OP) is trying to by a very very special breed (ie Singer, RUF) since they are suggesting a 'production/serial number' for their cars. Heck....I'm just kinda wanting to get a 'driver with the look' and go from there.