View Poll Results: Do you think of the 964 as an '80s car or a 90s car?
'80s
15
18.07%
'90s
68
81.93%
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Do you think of the 964 as an 80’s car or a 90’s car?
06-03-2012, 05:30 AM
#16
Burning Brakes
I would say 90's since it was sold in the 80's only for one year... And for 4 years in the 90's.
To compare to todays standards, I look at it like this: the 964 is like the 997.1 and the 993 is like the 997.2.
993 is slightly up on power and slightly more modern in interior, but they share quite a bit off technology.
So if the 997 is an '00 car, then both the 964 and 993 are '90 's cars.
To compare to todays standards, I look at it like this: the 964 is like the 997.1 and the 993 is like the 997.2.
993 is slightly up on power and slightly more modern in interior, but they share quite a bit off technology.
So if the 997 is an '00 car, then both the 964 and 993 are '90 's cars.
06-04-2012, 10:59 PM
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I can see why folk might think of the 964 as being older than what it was - it's one of the few cars in history that successfully captured the entire essence of its predecessors and still incorporated modern refinements.
I was attending a meeting of Occupational Physicians earlier this year, and a Physician from Germany discussed the nature and effect of the changing work environments on the workers. He described how that, in the last 20 years, factories and industries in Germany have changed from having cohorts of hundreds of highly skilled and meticulous workers assembling products by hand, to modern streamlined production lines requiring only one or two workers to monitor the machines which now do the work. (He was equating the loss of purpose of these former workers with the emergence of psychological disease in them.)
When I sit in the 964, it is like sitting in my '76 911. It has the same door pulls, and bins, the same dash and instruments. It's the same size, and has the same torpedo tubes to look down. The same rear engine bark and noise, the same smell and feel. But everything is BETTER. The fit and finish, the drive, the feedback, the performance.
It makes me think of those workers in the offices and on the factory floor in Stuggart who had honed their art since the 1970s to such a level that the first "new" 911 in 1989 was nothing more than the ultimate refinement of a car born in the 1960s. The romantic part of me imagines those workers putting the finishing touches on the 964s with all pride and care, knowing that their way of work was about to change significantly with the increasing mechanisation of the cars that were to come afterward, and that the 964 might be the final true expression of their art.
I was attending a meeting of Occupational Physicians earlier this year, and a Physician from Germany discussed the nature and effect of the changing work environments on the workers. He described how that, in the last 20 years, factories and industries in Germany have changed from having cohorts of hundreds of highly skilled and meticulous workers assembling products by hand, to modern streamlined production lines requiring only one or two workers to monitor the machines which now do the work. (He was equating the loss of purpose of these former workers with the emergence of psychological disease in them.)
When I sit in the 964, it is like sitting in my '76 911. It has the same door pulls, and bins, the same dash and instruments. It's the same size, and has the same torpedo tubes to look down. The same rear engine bark and noise, the same smell and feel. But everything is BETTER. The fit and finish, the drive, the feedback, the performance.
It makes me think of those workers in the offices and on the factory floor in Stuggart who had honed their art since the 1970s to such a level that the first "new" 911 in 1989 was nothing more than the ultimate refinement of a car born in the 1960s. The romantic part of me imagines those workers putting the finishing touches on the 964s with all pride and care, knowing that their way of work was about to change significantly with the increasing mechanisation of the cars that were to come afterward, and that the 964 might be the final true expression of their art.
06-05-2012, 07:47 PM
#23
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06-06-2012, 02:17 PM
#24
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It is the microprocessor engine controls and significant overall performance increase that made the 964 the first of the modern 911s. The 993 got only incremental changes other than the multi-link rear suspension.
06-07-2012, 08:01 AM
#26
Had both 993S and a 964, now 997TT. would like to get the 964 back because it's got so much of the old DNA. 993S looked kind of funny to me. The front did not match the rear.
06-07-2012, 08:47 AM
#27
The way I've always thought of it is:
Early 80's - 3.0 SC
Late 80's - 3.2 Carrera
Early 90's - 964
Late 90's - 993
Early 00's - 996
Late 00's - 997
Bit simplistic and there are hangovers in all cases but it kinda makes sense.
Probably could just about carry on to
Early 10's - 991
Late 10's - ???
Early 80's - 3.0 SC
Late 80's - 3.2 Carrera
Early 90's - 964
Late 90's - 993
Early 00's - 996
Late 00's - 997
Bit simplistic and there are hangovers in all cases but it kinda makes sense.
Probably could just about carry on to
Early 10's - 991
Late 10's - ???
06-07-2012, 11:33 AM
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I can see why folk might think of the 964 as being older than what it was - it's one of the few cars in history that successfully captured the entire essence of its predecessors and still incorporated modern refinements.
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When I sit in the 964, it is like sitting in my '76 911. It has the same door pulls, and bins, the same dash and instruments. It's the same size, and has the same torpedo tubes to look down. The same rear engine bark and noise, the same smell and feel. But everything is BETTER. The fit and finish, the drive, the feedback, the performance.
It makes me think of those workers in the offices and on the factory floor in Stuggart who had honed their art since the 1970s to such a level that the first "new" 911 in 1989 was nothing more than the ultimate refinement of a car born in the 1960s. The romantic part of me imagines those workers putting the finishing touches on the 964s with all pride and care, knowing that their way of work was about to change significantly with the increasing mechanisation of the cars that were to come afterward, and that the 964 might be the final true expression of their art.
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When I sit in the 964, it is like sitting in my '76 911. It has the same door pulls, and bins, the same dash and instruments. It's the same size, and has the same torpedo tubes to look down. The same rear engine bark and noise, the same smell and feel. But everything is BETTER. The fit and finish, the drive, the feedback, the performance.
It makes me think of those workers in the offices and on the factory floor in Stuggart who had honed their art since the 1970s to such a level that the first "new" 911 in 1989 was nothing more than the ultimate refinement of a car born in the 1960s. The romantic part of me imagines those workers putting the finishing touches on the 964s with all pride and care, knowing that their way of work was about to change significantly with the increasing mechanisation of the cars that were to come afterward, and that the 964 might be the final true expression of their art.
06-07-2012, 02:08 PM
#30
Well, their example had aero mirrors.. Would have thought if you wanted to class it as 80's your model would have flags.. Didnt think the Aeros were on 964's until 1992. I could be totally wrong though.