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Hi Jake. We (BRAIDusa) have supplied wheels for many safari and rally 911s including plenty of 964s. May I ask what size tires you are planning to use? Most of these are running a "square" setup meaning the wheels and tires are the same specs at all four corners. 215s are a bit wider than the stock front tires and a bit narrower than the stock rear tires so you can consider what effect that has. The pre-964s safari builds might run a rear spacer to create some stagger but not all do. While I have seen 205/70-15 rally tires they are rare, the more common size being 205/65-15. Rally tires are useless in anything below 40*F by they way so they should never be used in snow or ice. There are one or two 205/70-15 All Terrain tires out there but I'm not sure what brands or if they are any good. And you all thought this was a wheel question.
Yes, most safari builds run the BFG K02 215/65-16 on 16x7 (BRAID) wheels but not all do. You could run 15x7 or 16x7 Fuchs but, as pointed out, the offsets will be about an inch lower than 964s like so they'll stick out more. The 8" Fuchs wheels will be parking in the space next to you, such is their offset (+10). That may not be a problem if you lift it and may be the look you are after. Another issue with using Fuchs is that they are all old now and likely fatigued to some degree. Assuming this car may well see some light off-road use you should also consider this aspect. The 215/65-16 has an overall diameter of 27" so is about 2" larger than the stock sizes. This means that the tire will rub on the trailing edge of the front bumper so this area has to be trimmed on these cars. Not a big deal and most people never notice. You will now though. This is not the smallest 16" AT tire available however. There is a 215/60-16 made by Yokohama that is arguably a better all round tire but doesn't have the aggressive look of the BFG, not that anyone would choose looks over performance would they
It is still 26.2" diameter but that might be small enough to avoid clearencing the bumper but that will ultimately depend on suspension and wheel offset as well.
I think this is about all I have to offer but if you have any more questions let me know.
Yes, most safari builds run the BFG K02 215/65-16 on 16x7 (BRAID) wheels but not all do. You could run 15x7 or 16x7 Fuchs but, as pointed out, the offsets will be about an inch lower than 964s like so they'll stick out more. The 8" Fuchs wheels will be parking in the space next to you, such is their offset (+10). That may not be a problem if you lift it and may be the look you are after. Another issue with using Fuchs is that they are all old now and likely fatigued to some degree. Assuming this car may well see some light off-road use you should also consider this aspect. The 215/65-16 has an overall diameter of 27" so is about 2" larger than the stock sizes. This means that the tire will rub on the trailing edge of the front bumper so this area has to be trimmed on these cars. Not a big deal and most people never notice. You will now though. This is not the smallest 16" AT tire available however. There is a 215/60-16 made by Yokohama that is arguably a better all round tire but doesn't have the aggressive look of the BFG, not that anyone would choose looks over performance would they
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I think this is about all I have to offer but if you have any more questions let me know.
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Hello cool911air, I am very interested in your thoughts on using the originals Fuchs wheels on the 964-4. I am currently putting a Kelly Moss Racing suspension on my 1990 C4 to make it off road capable. I am exploring if it is possible to use 7x15” or 8x15” Fuchs wheels which might allow me to achieve the higher sidewall at 70 or 85 ratio needed for off road or rally tires. I still need to do more research on the caliper dimensions to see if there is a problem. I would appreciate your thoughts and experience on this. If I cannot use the Fuchs I can probably go to Braid wheels, but would prefer the Fuchs look. Thank you for any ideas.
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TexasJake (09-03-2020)
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Weights of 17" Fuchs vs 16" D90s:
For reference, I replaced my stock D90s today with 17" Fuchs in 8,9" widths. I placed the stack of four wheel/tires on a grain scale here, did the swap out, stacked and weighed the D90s that have ¾ tread remaining. Both wheels had identical tires save width and diameters were identical in comparison. The total weight of the four D90s and tires was one pound more than the four wider 17" Fuchs with new tires.
For reference, I replaced my stock D90s today with 17" Fuchs in 8,9" widths. I placed the stack of four wheel/tires on a grain scale here, did the swap out, stacked and weighed the D90s that have ¾ tread remaining. Both wheels had identical tires save width and diameters were identical in comparison. The total weight of the four D90s and tires was one pound more than the four wider 17" Fuchs with new tires.
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Weights of 17" Fuchs vs 16" D90s:
For reference, I replaced my stock D90s today with 17" Fuchs in 8,9" widths. I placed the stack of four wheel/tires on a grain scale here, did the swap out, stacked and weighed the D90s that have ¾ tread remaining. Both wheels had identical tires save width and diameters were identical in comparison. The total weight of the four D90s and tires was one pound more than the four wider 17" Fuchs with new tires.
For reference, I replaced my stock D90s today with 17" Fuchs in 8,9" widths. I placed the stack of four wheel/tires on a grain scale here, did the swap out, stacked and weighed the D90s that have ¾ tread remaining. Both wheels had identical tires save width and diameters were identical in comparison. The total weight of the four D90s and tires was one pound more than the four wider 17" Fuchs with new tires.
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D90: 255/50ZR16, 205/55ZR16
Fuchs: 255/40ZR17, 225/45ZR17
Overall diameters measured identical, widths obviously wider on Fuchs. Quite surprised the wider tires with the larger diameter wheels werent also heavier.
D90: 255/50ZR16, 205/55ZR16
Fuchs: 255/40ZR17, 225/45ZR17
Overall diameters measured identical, widths obviously wider on Fuchs. Quite surprised the wider tires with the larger diameter wheels werent also heavier.
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Marine Blue (11-08-2020)
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Pretty boring red generic cab. I'll see if I can figure out how to post a picture.
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Looking for a little help: 18x 8.5 fronts and 18 x 10 rears, et 48, came off a 964 but seems big, will they fit on a 1992 C2/5 NB? Krescsher Fuchs from Germany, they sure look good but I am not looking for a lifetime rubbing problem.
Anyone?.
Anyone?.
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Not sure if it helps but my BBS E88's are et 51 on 18 x 10's & 18 x 8.5's. Mine is a narrow body C2.